A Musical Poll

[JasonK]

Thanks aduiogirl, gee, I like your posts too.<P>Sometime my comments do take us off the mark, but sometimes distraction is needed with some of the rants.<P>I think sometimes, we need to get over ourselves.

[BenG]

Leslie--good post. And yes, you HAVE added depth to the subject. -b<BR>

[Brahmsian]

In defense of hornplayer, I think he is closer to the mark then any of you want to admitt. Nice to see provistbrahms. Keep voting and yes, JasonK, your posts do take away from the purpose constantly. There is a point where humour is out of place.

[JasonK]

sorry, just do not adhere to a fatalisitc approach...does not compute with me.<p>[This message has been edited by JasonK (edited 03-08-2001).]

[ReedMan]

I vote D (none of the above). All art forms are changing, that's the nature of art - always creating new ideas and expressive forms. As in most progressions, some of it people like, some of it people hate.

[Nicole Marie]

I think Reedman hit it on the head. What I like you may hate and what I hate you may like. It's no big deal.<P>What I do hate is all the evil comments being tossed around this posting. We all have different points of view but wishing some harm for them is way out of line. So knock it off! (Hornplayer)<p>[This message has been edited by Nicole Marie (edited 03-07-2001).]

[hornplayer]

Hey, Im really sorry everybody, and thanks Brahmsian for your support. Ill try to be a little more intelligent.

[audiogirl]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nicole Marie:<BR><B>I think Reedman hit it on the head. What I like you may hate and what I hate you may like. It's no big deal.<P>What I do hate is all the evil comments being tossed around this posting. We all have different points of view but wishing some harm for them is way out of line. So knock it off! (Hornplayer)<P>[This message has been edited by Nicole Marie (edited 03-07-2001).]</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Bravo, Nicole! I would add that as with most subjects, music, religion, or politics, if you're TRULY trying to change someone's mind and convince them to believe the way you do, the LAST thing you should be doing is insult something they hold dear.<P>For instance, if I were arguing the merits of the color blue, which I believe is the best and most wonderful color in the history of the universe, and you were a fan of red....<P>It would make no sense and get me nowhere to tell you that you're a complete idiot and can't possibly have a brain. I might host a talk show and do my best to make fun of some famous person who also likes red. Again, most red lovers would only clutch their love of red more tightly. <P>"You're a complete moron for liking red. Now I insist that you agree with me!" <BR>That gets us nowhere.<P>Sorry if this is long, but I've found it's best in this forum to explain yourself to death.<P>audiogirl

[JasonK]

In all seriousness....Nicole, Audiogirl and Reedman are right, in my opinion. I never took stock in a nihlistic approach to life...whether it be concerning cultural aspects or other....seems like a shortcut around effort to me. <P><p>[This message has been edited by JasonK (edited 03-08-2001).]

[Bob the Composer]

B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B<P>Dear everyone<P>My answer, as you may have guessed is B. I am a composer myself, as my name indicates, and I make it my job to write the music that comes from me. Some people do music purely for commercial reasons. Shame on them.<P>But there is hope. There is hope when a person like my sister, who formerly liked nothing but contemporary Christian music (and N'Sync once upon a time) realizes that there is value and worth in the music of the Beatles. There is hope when a school like mine has people who can appreciate good music. There is hope because not every film composer is a pop hack. There is hope because I know I will work 100% to promote my music and the music of other CM composers. <P>I don't value pessimism because I believe in hope. When someone walks out of a meeting because they don't agree with what's being said, then that group less represents them and is more likely to reject there views. Representation is power and as long as people like good music, there is hope. As long as people like us can talk honestly on forums like this and others I've been to, there is hope. Hope is everywhere. You just have to know where to look.<P>Bob the Composer

[Brahmsian]

What kind of worldview to some of you have? If you think everything is evolving and always will then I guess with that view you may be right. But, I believe there is a right and a wrong way to do things. Looking for the good in things is laudable, but not the true purpose of what I am trying to find out. Hornplayer, if you get any more intellegent then you already are, then this poll is unworthy of you. JasonK, thanks for being sarcastic. It really shows your maturity and amazing ability to not care.<p>[This message has been edited by Brahmsian (edited 03-07-2001).]

[JasonK]

ok.<p>[This message has been edited by JasonK (edited 03-08-2001).]

[JasonK]

Now that I have gotten that out, let's be friends Brahmsian....I apologize for taking your poll with a little less seriousness than you may have intended.<P>It is in my nature, I try and laugh about life....it is sometimes ugly enough all by itself.<P>so, what do you say, Brahmsian.....a truce?

[Peter]

Jason, ............(EDITED BIT)............<P>Thanks,<BR>Peter & Clare<p>[This message has been edited by Peter (edited 03-09-2001).]

[JasonK]

No problem Peter.<P>it is done.<P>...time to adue to you all...the comedy is finished.<P><BR>I leave you to your discussions.<p>[This message has been edited by JasonK (edited 03-08-2001).]

[shostakovich]

Hi Jason. Comedy is a mask. Apparently it has annoyed several people. You have much to add to the boards. I suggest you take another name and return. Use JasonK to be humorous. Then people will enjoy or ignore as they choose. Slip back as a new incarnation for posting more profound thoughts, of which I know you are capable.<BR>Purple

[Peter]

No problem with Jason, here, Shos. I politely asked him to desist from perpetuating a joke which I was guilty of starting. Being a good sort, he immediately agreed. We need Jason on these threads - he punctures negative commentary with a wit which is rare to find on forums such as these. He is also more knowledgeable than he`d have you believe.<P>Jason, you are good value for money. I was surprised that you altered so many of your posts today; I really didn`t think that was necessary. Stay with us - if you go, your banter would be missed.

[John]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Peter:<BR><B>... Stay with us - if you go, your banter would be missed. </B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Ditto! JasonK, you can stir up the nest, but it can lead to interesting discussions. Please don't change a thing. If you do, you won't be JasonK anymore....<P>John<P>

[BenF]

I read this thread with both interest and dismay. The very tone of the intial message bothers me, almost implying that there is something wrong with whoever likes current or popular music.<P>Music, any music, is a form of expression. There is no right or wrong, there is no good or bad, there is no better or worse. Individuals may have likes and dislikes, preferences, and favorites - but that is an individual choice. No one can force anyone to like or dislike anything - hear something you like, then listen to it again and enjoy it - it's that simple.<P>Of course, there are exceptions to be made here. Parents, for example, need to take an active role in guiding what their children listen to. But that is the exception, not the rule.<P>I listen to just about everything and anything, depending on the mood I am in. I do not look down on people who have never listened to Beethoven, nor do I expect to be looked down upon for ocassionaly listening to 80's hits (my high school years). If you enjoy it, if it touches you, if it is music to you - then listen to it. Simple as that.<P>Music changes and evolves along with people and times. You may not like the changes, but the fact that they are occurring means someone does. That is not a bad thing, it's just the way it is. And the way it has always been. I am sure that in their times Mozart, Hayden, and Beethoven were considered too progressive by some too. We can only imagine the stuffy old timers whining about what the new composers are up to - I have no doubt that it happened.<P>"Classical music" (not a term I like, but that's a seperate discussion) suffers from a stigma of being old, and stuffy, and class based, and somewhat supremicist. These attitudes and perceptions hinder it's acceptance by new (often younger) listeners who have no idea just what it is they are missing out on. The best thing we can do to change this trend is to not be judgemental, and that starts with recognizing that music, all music, is for everyone - whatever they want, if they want it.<P>Just my not so humble opinion.<P>--- Ben<BR>

[JasonK]

Hey shos and the gang, <P>I appreciate the comments and the suggestions, but this is who I am. Not to quivel with anyone, but for me personally, some of the "ranting" on the state of classical music, society and art has taken a negative tone and at times gotten out of hand. Much too, for me personally.<P>We have plenty of other things in our actual lives to bring us down and for us to be serious about. This is a message board, not Juilliard....and if stray 5 line comments or banter caused this much anguish....well, then...actually, I don't know what that says.....but I am sure it says volumes. I bet you Beethoven laughed too, infact on some accounts, he was a huge practical joker at times.<P>so there you go.....have fun guys, there is some interesting discussions going on here....but I, for one, am abstaining.<P>Like the 70's rock band Kansas sang:<P>Carry on my wayward son.......<p>[This message has been edited by JasonK (edited 03-08-2001).]