A Musical Poll

[audiogirl]

Please clarify. What is the initial statement that people have been trying to "prove wrong"?

[provistbrahms]

<BR>and this isn't an attack, but we would all be cattle if you did not expect some retort from some of those comments.[/B][/QUOTE]<BR>yes if you realize it or not it is an attack on my persoanlly. I don't know everyting. I am just trying to get your opinion on the matter of which I have. But I am trying to expand my views I will edit my origianl post to fit this. I wish for evidence that can prove me wrong, I have searched high and low and cannot find any resources that can prove me wrong. Likewise I wish for you to stop thinking that I am pigheaded and a know-it-all I am not and why would I be writing this in the first place if I think that i know it all. I am willing to defend my opinion that is all. And it is just an opinion. until you can prove me wrong so that I can adjust it accordingly I will defend it. Now that you know. You have no right to attack me personally. How our views come off to people differs. But I will leave you with this. One kind word can ward a harsh winters season. Good words can bring hope to the heart in doing right and good sense to the mind.<P><p>[This message has been edited by provistbrahms (edited 03-16-2001).]

[provistbrahms]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ~Leslie:<BR><B>This is a highly complex topic that we have touched upon but not fully embraced in any real depth yet, as alot of it has to do with cultures, geological location, sociology, and psychology issues,<BR>and so to a degree, more or less, how people's preferences and tastes are developed. <P>We live in a highly technological age where there are many distractions pulling us in many directions. The lure of affluence drives ppl to work harder instead of developing their creative expression. Conversely, I can't tell you how many times I've sat down to play or record only to have the phone ring or someone knocking on the door. <P>It is alot easier to spin a CD on the stereo, or watch the tube then sit in a room blowing or strumming a few bars repetitively for perfection's sake. <P>Same as it is alot easier to let video, the internet, and the TV babysit the kids, then it is to enforce strict studying and practicing habits upon them . <P>Still, I am not the person who will go along with this assumption that the arts are going to hell in a handbasket, because I have changed along with music and I have found my niche, so to speak, or where everything sort of fits into the grand scheme of things. <P>If you look at the top 40 or top 100 best selling songs, you will not get the feel of what is really happening on an intellectual level with music, because most ppl, (and especially record gobbling teens) do not comprehend music or HEAR music the way we do. <P>So I don't even bother with all that nonsense, I tend to look in more obscure areas for culture, virtuosity, and innovative expression. <P><BR>Does that answer the question? Nah, but it was a good try. </B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Very good post Lesile. May I ask you a question. I agree with you that all of the arts aren't going downhill. What do you think should be done about those that use foul words to express themselves and do absurd things to prove themselves to somebody?<P>

[The Great Mazinga]

why, consider them absurd...when it fits.

[audiogirl]

I'm still lost. Please respond. What is your opinion that we have been trying to prove wrong? This is a request for information.

[The Great Mazinga]

Ab abusu ad usum non valet consequentia.<P>In pax veritas.<BR>

[Brahmsian]

Simple, the original statment was a poll, and provistbrahms wants to know how his view of society's decline is wrong.

[provistbrahms]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Brahmsian:<BR><B>Simple, the original statment was a poll, and provistbrahms wants to know how his view of society's decline is wrong.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Which both of you have failed to provide to me because of this little skirmish. <BR>To The Great Mazinga , That question was not for you to answer please wait to comment on my question after the recipiant of my question has answered.

[The Great Mazinga]

Custos morum,<P>Excuse me, I thank you for your teachings of manners.<P>However...I think Serge was right...some people need to lighten up. For someone who contends not to be confrontational, you have a peculiarly interesting way of showing it. Could some of us be wrong in our perceptions? Vos vestros servate, meos mihi linquite mores.<P>To the rest of my fellow posters, hoc voluerunt.<P>To you, ut sementem feceris ita metes. In alio pediculum, in te ricinum non vides<P>All Lion and no Fox.<P>Pax<P>CCC,G,III<BR>In hoc signo vinces<P><p>[This message has been edited by The Great Mazinga (edited 03-16-2001).]

[provistbrahms]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The Great Mazinga:<BR><B>Custos morum,<P>Excuse me, I thank you for your teachings of manners.<P>However...I think Serge was right...some people need to lighten up. For someone who contends not to be confrontational, you have a peculiarly interesting way of showing it. Could some of us be wrong in our perceptions? Vos vestros servate, meos mihi linquite mores.<P>To the rest of my fellow posters, hoc voluerunt.<P>To you, ut sementem feceris ita metes. In alio pediculum, in te ricinum non vides<P>All Lion and no Fox.<P>Pax<P>CCC,G,III<BR>In hoc signo vinces<P>Please specify what you mean. I will now admit thanks to EJA that I have been taking this constructive criticism at heart and I shouldn't have. But some of the things that have been said have been wrong from both sides. Yes some of us could be wrong in our perceptions. <P>[This message has been edited by The Great Mazinga (edited 03-16-2001).]</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>

[hornplayer]

Gee, I might be the most negative and suicidal person here, but even I didnt sink to this kind of low...I can see me being bitter and lashing out at people, but Im suprised that everyone is becoming so quick with the sword.

[dkm32]

Getting back to the original question... <P>I initially I was going to vote "C". Then I thought about it a bit. Now, I'm going to vote "B".<P>Thinking back over the previous century, I would generally say that people would hardly ever mention Classical music when discribing any of the periods or ages. Roaring 20's, Depression 30's, etc. Classical music isn't really mentioned. Big Band music, Early Rock, Bee-Bop. Those are the music styles that are usually spoken of. <P>BUT, Classical was there! Alive and breathing. Maybe underneath the surface of all the other, but it was there. Good Classical music was being written. It has continued on and is with us today. <P>Remember, Bach was forgotten for awhile. He came back. <P>Classical music will continue. Beethoven.com is a testement to that. People may think back to the early 21st century and mention the musical sytle was Rap, or whatever. That doesn't mean that Classical isn't here. <P>The current sytle may speak for an given period of time, but Classical Music speaks for the ages.<P>Just my $.02<BR>Donna

[TallBlondeFlutist]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dkm32:<BR><B>Getting back to the original question... <P>I initially I was going to vote "C". Then I thought about it a bit. Now, I'm going to vote "B. That doesn't mean that Classical isn't here...... </B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Good point. Classical music may not be what we are noted for, but whoever said we were in the majority? We're not, but GOOD (read Classical) music will endure.<P>As for the state of society. Don't get me started. Things are deplorable! I could go on and on, but I will spare you all.<P>So, let's do all we can to keep this genre going.<P>

[sappy]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by provistbrahms:<BR><B> I will have to agree with A and C I am personally tired of hearing the profanity in music and in my hall ways at school it is a disgrace. I have faced many who say that music is shall we say "moving forward" I think that somthing should be done about this if not society will never be able to know where to draw the line when it comes to what type of music is the best and what is bad. </B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>.....Provist Brahms? bite my ass...society is fine the way it is.<P>

[Brahmsian]

Sappy, your complacency is amazing. Keep going provistbrahms, some people are afraid of you. They are very mature. Can't you tell with thier vocabulary above?

[Skanson]

As a composer and contributer to the state of the arts, I would challenge anyone who says the arts are in decline by saying there has never been a point in history where more people are able to create art than now. The underlying lesson from that is that we enjoy more freedom as human beings now that we ever have. For anyone to judge our time as declining is most certainly blind for freedom bears more fruit than any other human construct. This means some art will be better than others, but the challenge is to find it.<P>Darren Curtis Skanson<BR>Composer/Guitarist and frequently played artist on Beethoven.com <A HREF="http://www.darrencurtisskanson.com" TARGET=_blank>www.darrencurtisskanson.com</A>

[Nicole Marie]

Bravo Darren Bravo! Excellent point.

[Luegwig]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><BR>This means some art will be better than others, but the challenge is to find it.<BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>If you can say this, isn't it equally valid to say that some PERIODS are better than others? You actually MAKE the point that art CAN be on the decline at any period.<P>It may not be on a bell curve (a graph of a hill of quality vs. time), but it can be legitimately said that art is on the decline in the year 2001, even over the 20th century. I think most non-artists (the audience) would agree with this asessment. Doesn't mean they're right, but since art is to be appreciated and to communicate, most individuals do not appreciate or understand the art of today vs. the art of yesterday.<P>I realize that you may have been talking about the number of artists, but that hardly seems the point to me. If you were addressing another post...well, there you go. [img]/ubb/wink.gif[/img]<P>Regards,<BR>-Bill<p>[This message has been edited by Luegwig (edited 04-10-2001).]

[Nicole Marie]

I don't think art is on a decline more than it's changing. It's taking on new forms. This does not mean that art is becoming worse or bad. <P>To look to the future you must also look to the past. I do not agree that art is on a decline. Your opinion.<p>[This message has been edited by Nicole Marie (edited 04-10-2001).]

[barfle]

There's a missing choice here: D, none of the above.<P>There's some really great stuff being invented out there, and there's some real crap. But there are people out there who think my opinion of art is exactly opposite of theirs. Some people like rap, some people like symphonies (I assume most of us are in the latter category). I even suppose there are some people who like both.<P>My grandmother (98 and growing) thought big band music was a travesty, and she still doesn't like it. It was just too different from what she grew up with. I'm a baby-boomer myself, so I like 50s, 60s, and 70s pop and rock, but my parents don't think much of it. Big band is their cup of tea.<P>As noted a little earlier, what's really wonderful is that we have the freedom to experiment. If some of those experiments don't work out, so what? Pop culture has always offended the conservative elements, and I'm sure it will continue to do so. Some of it offends me, so I chose to not participate in it. That doesn't mean I think we are all going to hell in a handbasket (well, some of us are, but it probably doesn't have much to do with "culture"). It does mean that experiments will continue, and some of those experiments will disturb some of us. <P>The genie won't go back in the bottle, and you can't "change" the way things are. You can only try to influence the future. If you want music or other arts to "improve," make some music or other arts that you believe to be better.