Beware the Ides of March

[shostakovich]

I've been reading the 3/14 posts, and I have a comment. But first a moralizing story. I think it was Alfred Newman who, when receiving an oscar for a film score, said something like, "I wish to thank the people who made this award possible ----- Wagner, Tcaikovsky, Puccini -----"<P>The posting today seems much too much about US, and not enough about the MUSIC and the COMPOSERS who brought us all the beauty that we enjoy together. The Julius Caesar comment is a reference to killing the boards with a lot of juvenilia. Sorry, but Beethoven.com can be a victim of that "steady decline" in the arts and the appreciation of same, that so many of us have commented on.<BR>Shos

[Peter]

Shos,<P>When you speak, I listen. You carry enormous respect around these boards with your insights & wisdom. To the charge of posting juvenilia today, I raise my hand as guilty. In my defence, I offer that I don`t think it was too over-the-top, & that others were happy to join in the fun, inc. Nicole & Joe(!). I like this relaxed approach to moderation - it would be stifling if the perameters of discussion were too narrow. For the most part, what I post is serious, but recently, there seems to have been a proliferation of "doom & gloom, we have to change the world" statements coming from the younger element here. This is fine as their hearts are clearly in the right place, but I, at least, find it difficult to offer anything constructive in responding; maybe it`s my natural optimism, or maybe I`m starting to get old (eek), but I find that a light-hearted diversion, while hopefully not being disrespectful to our younger friends, can be like a breath of fresh air. As to whether or not sometimes it IS OTT, I guess that`s a judgement call. Of course, talking about Samantha Fox on a classical music forum is absolutely ludicrous, but to give you an idea of how I think, when Joe posted her web address, that really made my day!<P>Anyway Shos, as ever, what you have said does resonate with me. I shall try & curtail the more excessive exchanges from now on.<P>Peter

[Clare]

Shost, how I wish I had your influence.

[audiogirl]

I'm as guilty as Cain. I love a little quirky tangent. I regret some ugly things I've written. How about all we try a little harder to see the forest for the trees?

[The Great Mazinga]

Cogito cogito ergo cogito sum - I agree that some posts have been lighthearted and some have been doom and gloom.....this reflects the coming together of individuals - diversity. Res Ipsa Loquitor<P>Coming from that sparks debate on the ridiculous and the sublime...as in normal life. As I had quoted St. Thomas Acquianas in a previous post, "Beware the individual of one book" I like to get to know all facets of an individual. As far as the nay-sayers, I do not take offense at them, nor do I hope they at me. There is room for us all here.<P>I love classical music, and I, personally, hope that is a spring board for other topics because I am in love with the pursuit of knowledge, debate, and an occassional laugh.<P>But to only speak of classical music or only have that as an area which influenced my views, thoughts and outlooks would make me incomplete.<P><BR>I agree with the Julius Ceasar quote...what fortuitous timing...and I will take it further...<P>Remember, thou art mortal.<P>and as mortals, we can always learn from eachother.

[EJA_2]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The Great Mazinga:<BR><B>Cogito cogito ergo cogito sum</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Good one!<P>

[Harry Potter]

"The art of knowledge is to conceal knowledge."<P>Would someone be so kind as to translate that into latin for me? I know how to say it but the spelling I haven't got.<P>Cheers,<BR>HP<p>[This message has been edited by Harry Potter (edited 03-15-2001).]

[The Great Mazinga]

Two interps on your quote: <P>"Ars est celare artem"<P><BR>Video barbam et pallium; philosophum nondum video, vis consili expers mole ruit sua<P>Nec verbum verbo curabis reddere fidus interpres<P>

[shostakovich]

Thanks for the good thoughts. I'm reminded of the man who had trouble painting a church. He was running out of paint as he got to the steeple, and so he diluted the remaining paint. He almost made it, but not quite, and had to dilute at the very end again. He got down off the ladder and the steeple looked terrible. Just then, a booming voice came out of the sky:<P>REPAINT, AND THIN NO MORE!!!<P>Shos

[shostakovich]

The Latin quotes are a classy addition here. ILLEGITIMUS NON CARBORUNDUM.

[The Great Mazinga]

absit invidia<BR>

[EJA_2]

As long as we're quoting irrelevant Latin phrases, let me throw in some of my favorites, from memory, of course. <P>Verbum sat sapienti. (Not frequently relevant.)<P>Filli sunt argicolae est pueri maximarium virium. (That's me.)<P>Que Femmine tacent? (Take a guess.)<P>Hora et labora. (Res ipsa loquitor)<P>There's a bunch more among my favorites, but I can't remember them. My grammar is horrible, and my vocabulary is dwindling. Alas, I know HTML, VBS, and probably even JS better. Of course why know something that's useless? But it isn't. I think Latin and Calculus were the two most important subjects I studied in HS. . . It's just that I haven't used them enough, and they slip. Oh well.<P>For the uninitiated, maybe this will help: <A HREF="http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/resolveform?lang=Latin" TARGET=_blank>http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/resolveform?lang=Latin</A> <P><BR> -- EJA<BR>

[The Great Mazinga]

I don't know how irrelevant they were, actually, I thought they fit in well. Hard to get a conversation in Latin going these days.<P>Very appropriate for the Ides of March <P>Et tu EJA<P>Alea iacta est

[Harry Potter]

Oh Great one...<P>Shouldn't it be: "scientia est celare artem scientia est" or am i being too british in my translation?<P>Cheers again,<BR>HP

[The Great Mazinga]

Yes young jedi,<P>I was speaking of art in general...it can be conformed to whatever you will. The ancients (Greeks and Romans) spoke in terms of art...art of politics, art of science, art of flattery...etc. <P>so it applies, as I also wrote<P>Nec verbum verbo curabis reddere fidus interpres<P>or<P>As a true translator you will take care not to translate word for word<P><BR>

[EJA_2]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The Great Mazinga:<BR><B>I don't know how irrelevant they were, actually, I thought they fit in well.<BR></B><BR>I specifically had in mind <I>Illegitemae Non Carborundum</I> and <I>absit invidia</I>. Frankly, I had some trouble translating your second quote. Seems like it says something like "I see the beard and toga; I don't see the philosophy. . . " and then something about a monolith falling violently with something about advise and persuasion. Very depressing. <P><B>Hard to get a conversation in Latin going these days.</B> <BR>Sorry I'm not much help. I used to be able to read fairly well. I read the Caesar's Gallic Wars in Second Year Latin. No practice at all since. Perhaps there's something to the fact that it <I>is a dead language</I>!<BR><B>Very appropriate for the Ides of March</B><BR>Yes.<BR><B>Et tu EJA</B><BR>That has a bad connotation. . . <P><B>Alea iacta est </B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Shouldn't this be spelled <I>Alea jacta est</I>? And it means its dangerous or chancy to throw things or guess or boast? <P> -- EJA<BR>

[The Great Mazinga]

The die is cast - <P>allusion to Julius Caesar crossing the Rubicon. I have cast it myself on many an occassion.

[EJA_2]

Video vidi visum<P>

[The Great Mazinga]

Quot homines tot sententiae

[The Great Mazinga]

sorry, I just read your other post, I was quoting interpretations on Harry's request about the art .<P>I see the beard and the robe, toga, cloak, but I do not yet see a philospher.<P>meaning you can hide your intentions, or knowledge, or fake it.<P>or Brute force without intelligence is doomed to destroy itself....force, knowledge is not enough...<P>It is art to conceal art.....<P>Shos comment was translation of "Don't Let the Jerks Bring You Down" which is appropriate.<P>and the I added "Let ill will be absent" so kinda makes sense......<P>and exactly, dead languages are hard to have a conversation with, so gotta grab them while you can.<p>[This message has been edited by The Great Mazinga (edited 03-15-2001).]