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What do you think is Beethoven's most under rated symphony?

A. Symphony # 1 - Op. 21
1
8%
B. Symphony # 2 - Op. 36
1
8%
C. Symphony # 4 - Op. 60
1
8%
D. Symphony # 8 - Op. 93
8
67%
E. Other
1
8%
 
Total votes : 12

Poll: Most under rated Beethoven symphony

Postby Catmando » Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:26 pm

Here's a poll question for anyone interested...
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Postby Catmando » Tue Jun 06, 2006 7:28 am

Doesn't seem like my poll question set-up worked properly. :oops:
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Postby BigJon@Work » Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:25 am

It looked and worked fine for me? Are you still logged in?

Vote 8th!
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Postby barfle » Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:33 am

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Postby Catmando » Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:43 am

BigJon@Work wrote:It looked and worked fine for me? Are you still logged in?

Vote 8th!


You're right, it looks like it does work. I love all of LVB's symphonies, however the 8th is probably my least favorite, although I hate actually saying that, as I do love it!

Vote 4th!! :P :D :lol: :twisted: :wink:
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Postby Bones » Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:53 am

Beethoven himself said that the 8th was much better than the 7th.
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Postby Catmando » Tue Jun 06, 2006 12:04 pm

Bones wrote:Beethoven himself said that the 8th was much better than the 7th.


Wow! :shock:

Artists often prefer and are more satisfied with their "lesser known" or less appreciated works.

I have to humbly be in disagreement with the great LVB :( , because I enjoy the 7th ALOT more than the 8th.

Maybe the 8th is indeed "better" than the 7th, however I know I enjoy the 7th as much as the 9th.

And in my humble opinion, the 7th is far better than the 5th.

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Postby Shapley » Tue Jun 06, 2006 12:24 pm

I agree that the 7th is excellent. I'll have to admit that I've not listened to the 8th in a while, but I recall it being very good (I had already voted for it before the lobbying began). I've actually not listened to any Beethoven Symphonies in while, except when played on B.com, as I've acquired quite few new CD's I'm still getting through (Gershwin, Mahler, Mozart, Lecouna, Liszt, etc.) and I've not had time to spare for the old standards.

I bought a CD of E. Power Biggs playing Bach, and it is excellent. I've had performances by him on vinyl, but haven't had a turntable connected in a long time, so I've not had a chance to listen to them. I only mention this here because it is the latest of my new acquisitions I've listened too.

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Postby Bones » Tue Jun 06, 2006 1:04 pm

LvB was irked by the cool reception the public gave the 8th when it was first performed, as opposed to the rave reviews received for the 7th. He said something like, "what does the public know, the 8th is far better than the 7th." That may have been just the anger talking, but maybe he really thought the 8th was better. He did have a habit of letting his anger dictate his words. Right before he died, he admitted that the 3rd was his favorite of all the symphonies.
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Postby bignaf » Tue Jun 06, 2006 1:26 pm

it seems like the 8th is pretty well appreciated, so I'd like to change my vote to the 4th.
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Postby shostakovich » Tue Jun 06, 2006 2:20 pm

Bones wrote:Beethoven himself said that the 8th was much better than the 7th.


Well, he could write pretty well, but he was not a great critic. He didn't appreciate Haydn, and he thought Cherubini was his most talented contemporary.

I'm not a fan of the 8th, probably because I overdosed when I was getting used to it. There's a short band composition called Pieces of Eight, by (?) Neff and Joseph Jenkins, that uses themes from the symphony. It's cute.
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Postby shostakovich » Tue Jun 06, 2006 2:25 pm

Hi Shap. I see you're listening to some Lecuona. There's a find. What are you enjoying?
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Postby Trumpetmaster » Tue Jun 06, 2006 2:30 pm

I voted for the 8th!
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Postby Shapley » Tue Jun 06, 2006 2:39 pm

Shos,

I purchased this CD, which I enjoy. It has Malaguena, of course, which is what brought me to the CD, but so far I've enjoyed it all. I'm not familiar enough with the different tracks to pick a particular one I enjoy more than any other. It'll take a few more listenings before I can pick out any favourites.

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Postby bignaf » Tue Jun 06, 2006 2:39 pm

which contemporary of Beet hoven was better than Cherubini? not including opera.
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Postby Catmando » Tue Jun 06, 2006 3:28 pm

[/quote]

Well, he could write pretty well, but he was not a great critic.[/quote]

Another example that I relate to that is that Beethoven wasn't very fond of his earliest Piano Concerto (PC# 2). I happen to REALLY fond of that concerto, particularly the Adagio of # 2 being my favorite movement of all his piano concerto movements.

Maybe his PC# 2 wasn't his best piano concerto in terms of innovation in the genre, but again, one of my personal favorites.

Maybe I just prefer "simpler" at times.

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Postby Bones » Tue Jun 06, 2006 8:24 pm

bignaf wrote:which contemporary of Beet hoven was better than Cherubini? not including opera.


Schubert
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Postby Serenity » Tue Jun 06, 2006 8:30 pm

Mmmmm....Raspberry Schubert!
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Postby shostakovich » Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:43 pm

Shapley wrote:Shos,

I purchased this CD, which I enjoy. It has Malaguena, of course, which is what brought me to the CD, but so far I've enjoyed it all. I'm not familiar enough with the different tracks to pick a particular one I enjoy more than any other. It'll take a few more listenings before I can pick out any favourites.

V/R
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I have all of the first disc on record, and none of the second. It's a kick to have Lecuona by Lecuona, and the music is all enjoyable.
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Postby shostakovich » Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:00 pm

Bones wrote:
bignaf wrote:which contemporary of Beet hoven was better than Cherubini? not including opera.


Schubert


Thanks, Bones. That looks like the best answer. I think Hummel was pretty well regarded. I'm not sure why the restriction on opera composers. Cherubini was one. Others were Salieri, Rossini, Weber, Spohr. Maybe the last 3 hit their stride after Beethoven answered the question.
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