<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ReedMan:<BR><B>If you judge greatness on melody, than you might as well choose the yellow submarine boys'(The Beatles) tunes. Hmm. That seems shallow. Well let's dig deeper and scan the radio dial. Arrgh ! That stuff gets old fast. Many vocals are indecipherable, the tunes are fluff, repetitious or ugly. They are OK for background music.<BR>Maybe greatness is something that withstands repeated listenings over a longer period of time, say one's lifetime ? Compositions in classical music have produced many winners that generate physical and emotional reactions. <BR>The 20th century gave us new creations & inventions. Melody is not a strongpoint in general, new harmonies, instrument/vocal combos, styles are apparent. Some stuff is challenging. <BR>Greatness should not be confused with popular; exposure to greatness may occur in smaller doses; however the effects should be more profound and lasting.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>We may just have to settle here for agreeing to disagree. I have stated that melodic invention (which includes counter-melody, harmony, rhythm & tonal relationships) is my personal criterion for determining who would be my choice as the 20thC`s no.1. I concede that how one should choose a determining criterion is subjective - all musical tastes must be - but I am happy with my own method.<P>REEDMAN:<P>Of course classical music has produced many "winners" this century, but it has also produced a lot of junk; the emotionally-compelling SOUND of an orchestra does not, necessarily, mean that the music it produces is "great". Classical music`s great period was c.1700-1850, and, I believe that it has, sadly, been on a downward slope ever since. Beethoven was the pinnacle of artistic achievement, but will we ever see his like again? I say no.<P>Also, I disagree that melody has not been strong in the 20thC. I say that the 20th has been THE century for melody, as I interpret the word to mean.<P>SHOS.,<P>I am impressed by your knowledge of Rodgers & Hammerstein, & also by your video collection! I have read your comments with much interest, but, as I just said to ReedMan, we are going to have to agree to disagree.