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Mystery Pianist-Composer

Postby shostakovich » Sat Dec 30, 2000 8:59 pm

I will start by skipping over where and when he was born. As far as I can tell he was the only known MUSICIAN born within the decade of his birth and a radius of 3000 miles. <BR>His well-to-do parents sent him to France to study piano. His teacher also had another, slightly younger, piano student, Camille Saint-Saens. Our mystery P-C made his official debut at Salle Pleyel with a program including a Chopin concerto. Chopin was in the audience, and is supposed to have said after the concert, "Give me your hand, my child. I predict you will become the king of pianists".<P> True, at first, to the prediction, he conquered Europe with his skill, impressing other great pianists and critics alike. But shortly after, he left his teacher's guidance, never bothering to take another lesson. He also began writing some short works inspired by his homeland, and including them in his programs. He began to get lazy and his reputation, if not his popularity, was threatened. He then came to America, where he concertized indefatigably over the next dozen years. He is credited with over 1500 concerts in the years 1862-64. In all, he traveled many tens of thousands of miles in North, Central, and South America, performing in concert halls, saloons, mining camps, etc. --- anywhere a piano could be brought. <BR> There are many parallels between our P-C and Chopin, including his death at about the same age. While music critics would have dismissed his entire late career, we can keep in mind that music is not made for critics. He brought Bach, Beethoven, and operatic transcriptions, as well as his own music, to thousands who were enriched by the experience. <P> His legacy is his legend, his place in history as his country's first nationalist composer, and a trunkload of piano miniatures. He did write some longer works for orchestra, and some for piano with orchestra, but it's the piano trinkets that sustained his popularity in 19th century homes that had pianos. Like Chopin's works, his are better suited to the salon than to the concert hall. Unlike Chopin's works, they survive only for their surface charm. Some are wonderful for their vitality. Others drip enough fat to fry chicken. In the 20th century a ballet was made out of several of his piano works, and they translate nicely for orchestra. <BR>WHO IZZIT??? Best of luck and Happy New Year. <BR>Shos.
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Re: Mystery Pianist-Composer

Postby Flowerboy » Sun Dec 31, 2000 2:02 am

Got it, but i wont spoil the fun! :^)<P>Flowerboy<BR>(Brandon)
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Re: Mystery Pianist-Composer

Postby shostakovich » Tue Jan 02, 2001 1:54 am

Hi Flowerboy. Not that I doubt you have it, but could you give me a clue about your answer ---- say his first initial or his birth month? I'm still curious about what music you know of Elliott Carter. His is not a name I'd expect to pop up on Beethoven's bulletin board. <BR>Shos.
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Re: Mystery Pianist-Composer

Postby Peter » Tue Jan 02, 2001 12:42 pm

Just testing the water, Shos.....Would his 1st christian name happen to begin with the letter L ?
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Re: Mystery Pianist-Composer

Postby Flowerboy » Tue Jan 02, 2001 8:12 pm

First of all, when i guessed Elliot Carter, it was a mere guess based upon what i saw in my book. Ive never heard of or heard Elliot Carter. lol. But for the answer of this question, im guessing someone with the initials LMG. born in America and hailed in South America. Died at age 40. Am i on the right track?
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Re: Mystery Pianist-Composer

Postby shostakovich » Tue Jan 02, 2001 11:33 pm

Yes, yes, Peter, and you have arrived at your station, Flowerboy. Nice going.
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Re: Mystery Pianist-Composer

Postby Michael » Wed Jan 03, 2001 1:48 pm

I thought I had the answer last night and was about to post it, when I checked my reference book again and found the fellow was born thirty years after Chopin died!<BR>But I have it now (I think) from the initials. I don't want to spoil it either so, was he born in 1829 in New Orleans?<P>Michael
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Re: Mystery Pianist-Composer

Postby Flowerboy » Wed Jan 03, 2001 11:21 pm

yes he was. His name (ill spoil it now since we both have the answer) is Louis Moreau Gottschalk.
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Re: Mystery Pianist-Composer

Postby shostakovich » Fri Jan 05, 2001 12:22 am

Good going, detectives.<BR>Peter, as a confessed Beatles fan, what do you think of Sir John's Standing Stone, assuming you've heard it?<BR>Shos.
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Re: Mystery Pianist-Composer

Postby Jeff Dutton » Fri Jan 05, 2001 11:12 am

Rats! I was SURE it was Liberace!<BR>I just couldn't figure out the M and G.<P>(I'm KIDDING!)
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Re: Mystery Pianist-Composer

Postby JasonK » Fri Jan 05, 2001 12:07 pm

Ahheemmmm, that is Sir Paul's Standing Stone????? <P>-King of Cheap Ploys and Irreverent Humor<P>Jason
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Re: Mystery Pianist-Composer

Postby Peter » Sat Jan 06, 2001 10:13 pm

Thanks, Shos. There is no greater Paul McCartney fan than me. As far as I`m concerned he is the greatest songwriter (music & lyrics) ever, but he will never cut the mustard as a classical composer in my eyes. Both Standing Stone & his earlier Liverpool Oratorio, co-written with Carl Davis, are, for sure, pleasant enough, but Macca`s genius lies in his knack of creating perfectly-proportioned pop songs, but, of course, creating classical music of substance is a completely different ballgame. In short, I feel that he is out of his league.<P>Other reservations I have are that Sir Paul tends to surround himself with `yes men` who, I assume, won`t do the job they should be doing, namely pointing out the fact when Macca is inadvertantly straying from his objective (especially where orchestration is concerned), for fear of being removed from the payroll!!<P>McCartney can neither read nor write music, & used computers to sketch his themes, stumbling, I have no doubt, upon many harmonies (for example) by accident. In 1982, he stated that classical music bored him, & yet now he`s trying to show that he can turn his hand to this most difficult of musical genres. Money can`t buy you love, & neither can it buy you great classical intuitiveness!!<P>I much prefer Paul`s 1966 soundtrack music for the rather twee British working-class film, The Family Way, orchestrated by George Martin.<P>All in all, & in Macca`s defence, I have a low tolerance level of ALL modern classical music. Also, although Sir Paul may not be a virtuoso pianist, remember that Beethoven could not play the electric guitar Image
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Re: Mystery Pianist-Composer

Postby shostakovich » Sun Jan 07, 2001 1:26 am

Couldn't play the electric guitar, eh? I had never given that much thought before. Thanks for the fill in on Macca.<BR>Shos.
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Re: Mystery Pianist-Composer

Postby Michael » Sun Jan 07, 2001 12:25 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Peter:<P>I much prefer Paul`s 1966 soundtrack music for the rather twee British working-class film, The Family Way, orchestrated by George Martin.<P> [/B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Peter, I must inform you that you that though there may be no greater Paul McCartney fan than you, you have an equal - me! As well as having every Beatle recording, I have every album by McCartney - bar one or two. And yes - I totally agree with you on his music for "The Family Way" - it far exceeds his music for "Standing Stone" or the "Liverpool Oratorio". As you say, his real talent is in melody, and when he tries to be quasi-symphonic, the results are boring and pretentious.<BR>I have been trying for years to get the "Family Way" soundtrack on CD and, through the internet, the last I heard was that the original tapes were lost! I dug out my vinyl copy recently and copied it onto MiniDisc and it comes out very well indeed!<BR>Incidentally, I wouldn't call the film of the "Family Way" twee - it is one of my all-time favourite films, not least because it contains McCartney's music, but also extracts from the "Emperor Concerto" and the Fifth Symphony by a certain composer I may have referred to from time to time.<P>Michael<BR>
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Re: Mystery Pianist-Composer

Postby Peter » Sun Jan 07, 2001 9:18 pm

Thanks, Michael. Your post made me go and watch The Family Way again. I must admit that it does not seem as twee now as it did the last time I watched it (about 10 years ago), but then I have always been in love with Hayley Mills (sigh.....)<P>
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