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Mystery Personages

Postby shostakovich » Fri Jan 05, 2001 1:57 am

I thought I'd combine the mystery people under one heading. Most will, of course be composers. Let's start with a man whose ancestors showed no special affinity for music. However, he was so drawn to the subject, that he wrote down a vow to become a composer, and then performed a ritual burning of the vow. He was 11.<BR>His father, a Jewish clock dealer in Geneva, expected him to go into the family business, but young _________ received musical training in Geneva, Brussels, Frankfurt, and Munich. From the ages of about 25 to 35, he lived in Switzerland, teaching, composing, and conducting. At age approximately 30 he began to slant his music in the direction for which he is best known, referred to as "Hebraicism". As he said later, he was moved by<P>"the freshness and naivety of the Patriarchs; the violence of the Prophetic Books; the Jew's savage love of justice; the despair of Ecclesiastes; the sensuality of the Song of Songs ------- It is all this that I endeavor to hear in myself, and transcribe into music: the sacred emotion of the race that slumbers far down in our soul". <P> At about age 35 he came to the United States, with his family, as conductor for Maude Allan's dance company. The tour was not successful, but he was able to conduct some of his own works with several orchestras including the Boston Symphony. His music was well received. At age 40 he became director of the Cleveland Institute of Music. Five years later he was at the San Francisco Conservatory. In between he wrote a work for his adopted country. It was later dedicated to Franklin Roosevelt. Five years after coming to San Francisco he returned to Switzerland where he wrote his most important choral work. At the age of about 60 he returned to the US, and settled in Oregon, where he remained for the rest of his life. <BR>Of his total output, only one third is Hebraic, but that is what sets him apart from all other composers. If he is too much of a mystery I will list additional clues every few days. I think much of his music is well worth knowing. Good luck.<BR>Shos.
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Re: Mystery Personages

Postby Michael » Fri Jan 05, 2001 1:22 pm

I am almost certain I have him, Shos, but I don't want to block any other attempts at guessing. Was he born in 1880?<P>Michael
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Re: Mystery Personages

Postby serge urtizberea » Fri Jan 05, 2001 1:35 pm

Shos, you stump every time with your riddles. Sigh, I suppose I have a long way to go down the ol' classical highway. Someday, I'll try to stump YOU! I'm working on my riddle right this very moment...
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Re: Mystery Personages

Postby shostakovich » Sun Jan 07, 2001 1:39 am

Yes, Michael, 1880. That's a good clue for those continuing the hunt. The mystery man wrote 2 excellent works for cello and orchestra in his Hebraic vein, and 2 concerti grossi among his absolute music.<P>Serge, there is something here for you even if you never get your man. I'm hoping to entice people into getting curious enough to check out the music of the mystery composers. I wouldnt pick one that didn't offer rich reward. As for Gottschalk, I have to admit the reward isn't all that rich.<BR>I'm enjoying your postings in other forums (fora??) and look forward to your riddle.<BR>Shos.
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Re: Mystery Personages

Postby shostakovich » Mon Jan 08, 2001 9:43 pm

Time for the next clues. The work written for his adopted country is America --- an Epic Rhapsody. The better known work for cello and orchestra may be his single best known work, Schelomo, meaning "Solomon".<BR>Of ALL works for cello and orchestra (and there are not that many to bother with), Schelomo was considered one of the top 5 a while ago. It and the mystery composer are not that frequent on the air these days. I hope Beethoven radio will rectify that apalling situation. <BR>Shos
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Re: Mystery Personages

Postby shostakovich » Wed Jan 10, 2001 11:29 am

The mystery composer's dates are 1880 - 1959. Note how far into the 20th C. this person lived. It seems there's a reluctance to investigate 20th C music. I agree, there's a lot of BAAAAAD stuff. The GOOD "is oft interred with its bones". Mystery composer's works are largely post-romantic or neo-classical. He was not a weirdo. <P>His music is meaningful to me. I did an audio-visual biography (slide-tape) on him in the days before video cameras. I also got to meet one of his daughters. She told me a story from her youth. The family had Isadora Duncan over for dinner. As I mentioned in Mystery Dancer, she was a free spirit. Anyway, after the meal Isadora asked "Mrs _______, would you mind if I borrowed your husband for a while?" <P>With that bit of gossip, I'll end this mystery on Friday, unless anyone is still interested. So far, only Michael got it. Congrats Michael.<BR>Shos.
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Re: Mystery Personages

Postby Peter » Wed Jan 10, 2001 4:14 pm

Shos, I must confess that I should have gotten it from the Swiss connection & his "biblical rhapsody" composition, but ultimately, it was Michael`s "I`ve got it" posting which gave me the big clue; if you look at it again, the answer is staring you in the face - very clever, Michael!!<P>Shos, you must now, please, conclude the tantalising story about Isadora Duncan & "the husband". Also, I`ve not heard them, but since you do not like the piano quintets of either Dvorak or Schubert, how do you rate those by our mystery man?
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Re: Mystery Personages

Postby shostakovich » Wed Jan 10, 2001 5:46 pm

Peter, I totally missed the clever pun by Michael. Thanks to both of you. I'm afraid I'll disappoint with regularity when it comes to chamber music. Mystery man's 2 violin sonatas seem very cold to me. After that experience, I avoided all other chamber music not related to his Hebraic style, which was the thrust of my AV bio.<P>There is no follow-up of Suzanne's story. She was very young, and if her dad and Isadora had a fling, it was kept from her. Her mother was prim and proper. She was flustered by the suggestion, and stuttered something like "I guess so." Father thought it was amusing. Suzanne was embarrassed for her mother. Isadora was just being herself.<BR>Shos<P>For a little prurient interest, Suzanne and I talked of who among the composers she knew were gay. I asked about Roy Harris. "Oh, no! He's been married 5 times." So now we know Harris was straight.<P>
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Re: Mystery Personages

Postby shostakovich » Sat Jan 13, 2001 12:40 am

And the mystery composer is ------- Ernest Bloch. If you have not heard his music, sample Schelomo and the first concerto grosso, which ends with a very nice fugue. If you like fugues, one of the best is in the Prelude and Quadruple Fugue by Alan Hovhaness, another underplayed composer. He wrote many "symphonies", Mysterious Mountain being a good one to try. He also wrote a Mt St Helens Symphony for Leslie, who hails from there. Have a good weekend.<BR>Shos.<BR>
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Re: Mystery Personages

Postby shostakovich » Tue Jan 23, 2001 12:01 am

Here's a new mystery composer. He was one of the most successful of French operatic writers. His style was smoothness itself. I never heard a note of his I didn't like. Several of his operas have been recorded completely, and there are suites from some of these and others. He also wrote 7 (at least) suites for orchestra not based on stage works. His most important teacher was Ambroise Thomas, and he later became a highly regarded composition teacher at the Paris Conservatory. His music changed not at all over his career in spite of the "modernism" that overtook opera and music in general around the turn of the century. Consequently his reputation declined in his last 2 decades.<BR>He was called "Gounod's Daughter" because his "melodic idiom is in direct descent from that of Gounod and ---- there is something indefinably feminine about his music".<P>His music was a comfort to Honegger in mid century (20th), who claimed that if his own style didn't work on something (such as the oratorio King David), he could "always fall back on _________." I think our mystery composer will be a nice discovery to those who don't know his music. It's business was pleasure, not profundity.<BR>Shos.
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Re: Mystery Personages

Postby Michael » Tue Jan 23, 2001 1:42 pm

I have somebody in mind, Shos. Did he call his orchestral suites "Scenes"?<P>Michael
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Re: Mystery Personages

Postby treebeau » Tue Jan 23, 2001 3:31 pm

I think I know this one, but will let it sit for a few days. I don't want to mess up and guess the wrong name.<P>Regards,<BR>Tim B.<BR>
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Re: Mystery Personages

Postby shostakovich » Tue Jan 23, 2001 5:11 pm

Yes, Michael. Scenes they were. Say, how big is your library, anyhow?<P>OK, Tim. I'll be waiting to hear from you. I think you'll like this person's music if you have not heard any.<P>May as well chuck in a clue that I forgot originally. From all of mystery man's writing, only 2 selections that I know of have reached pop concert status. One is an interlude (I think) for violin and orchestra. The other is a suite from an opera based on a Spanish hero (not Don Q.).<BR>Shos.
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Re: Mystery Personages

Postby Flowerboy » Wed Jan 24, 2001 1:38 am

im almost sure its Darius Milhaud.....? just a guess.
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Re: Mystery Personages

Postby shostakovich » Wed Jan 24, 2001 10:01 am

Sorry Brandon, it's not Milhaud. Mystery composer was born a half century before Milhaud. But keep trying. I don't know enough about Milhaud to recognize why you picked him. Let me know. <P>Which recording of Mahler 2 did you get, and how is it?<BR>Shos
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Re: Mystery Personages

Postby Flowerboy » Wed Jan 24, 2001 1:38 pm

i got the recording with Kaplan. Its great. i have the 1st movement memorized and am beginning to conduct it. I dont think ill need a steel baton though :^) . I posted a topic on here Mahler #2. scroll down to see it on the main bulletin board page, and ill continue to search for the correct answer on your new mystery personage.<P>Flowerboy
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Re: Mystery Personages

Postby Peter » Wed Jan 24, 2001 3:53 pm

Shos, I`m not at all sure about this. Forgive my coyness, but should I have castanets at the ready for celebrating, in case I`m right?
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Re: Mystery Personages

Postby JasonK » Wed Jan 24, 2001 4:06 pm

are we talking about El Cid as composed by Miklos Rozsa?<P>Castanets either make me think of that or Carmen Miranda.....take your pick, I offer both as possible solutions. I think Charlton Heston worked with them both.<P>Good to be the king Image<p>[This message has been edited by JasonK (edited 01-24-2001).]
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Re: Mystery Personages

Postby JasonK » Wed Jan 24, 2001 4:33 pm

ok, just kidding on those others, but my really serious and solemn answer is Jules-Émile-Frédéric Massenet.....
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Re: Mystery Personages

Postby Peter » Wed Jan 24, 2001 6:22 pm

OK, I now know that it isn`t Chabrier. I have put the castanets back in their box. Ole!!
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