<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by shostakovich:<BR><B>Oh, My! We have a heretic on board, someone who admits to not liking Beethoven. And a double whammy --- he likes Charles Ives. Do we make him dance the plank, mateys in the UK? <P>Actually, Tim, HMS BEETHOVEN.COM is a big ship. It's good to hear from a fan of Ives. I had been thinking once of a slide-tape presentation on 3 American Heroes: Hanson, Ives, and Copland. Unfortunately, the venue I'd hoped for didn't pan out. Hanson was a hero because he pursued a tasteful mix of post-romantic, neo-classic music as educator, composer, and conductor at a time when conservatism was in the abyss. I treasure the series of Mercury recordings he presented. Ives was a hero for being modern at a time when conservatism was at a peak. He fought the same kind of battle as did Hanson, in a different war. Copland is America's hero for bringing its music to the attention of listeners and critics alike at a time when "good" music meant European.<P>I admire Ives' stubborn and lonely pursuit of a personal muse. Luckily for him, he had a day job and a wife who never said "Charlie, why don't you write what people like?" I attended a joint conference at Brooklyn College and Yale University on his 100th anniversary. Copland was there. Lou Harrison and (I think) John Kirkpatrick voiced anger at the young speakers, who were hitching their wagons to a rising Ives star. They were very upset that there were damned few people around to praise Ives' music when he needed it. They and a mere handful of others believed in him.<P>So now, Tim, I'd like to ask about your favorite Ives pieces,and how you came to discover him. I have a very hard time liking his stuff. The conservative 1st symphony with the pretty song, Judges Walk is all I can like in a normal sense. I find interest in 3 Places in New England, the Robert Browning Ov, his 2nd (I think ) orchestral set, and some of the Holidays Symphony.<BR>Shos</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Hey Shos!<P>OK. Let's just get one thing straight before I go on:<P>I believe that Beethoven is the greatest musician who ever graced the planet, and I love all of his music!<P>There you go! I'm not quite sure where you got the idea about me admitting to "not liking Beethoven"!
<P>Now, to answer your question!<P>To tell you the truth, I do not know a lot of Ives' music intimately. I started learning one piece called the 'Three-Page Sonata' which was really great (I actually did a big project on it for my A-levels) but I know little else unfortunately.<P>Ives' music is a stange thing! The range of styles which it covers is huge. The songs are just like popular songs, but the symphonies are highly atonal and experimental works. Some pieces which I am quite familliar with are the piano sonatas which are both colossal and experimental. My old piano teacher -who is an American contemporary music specialist- used to play them to me. He also made recordings of both pieces under the label Virgin Classics, so I got to know them from that.<P>What do you think of the America variations? I think that they are pretty awful actually! That is one of the few pieces which I dislike.<P>By the way, did everyone in here know that Beethoven was Ives' idol, and that his music is highly influenced by that of B's?<P>