Roll Over Beethoven

[Luis]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ~Leslie:<BR><B>Luis, My ears are trained to neo-fusion jazz which involves complex polyrhythms, genres (including Latin, Nordic, Celtic and African )mixed inside a gigantic melting cauldron, some of it has dominant tonality/some of it does not, I also prefer rich experimental timbres, both acoustic & electronic, and instrumental improvisation that demonstrates unparalleled virtuosity, and can manage quite well without lyrics. Does this sound like your typical feminine taste in the sonic landscape? I didn't think so. ~</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Ah...Leslie, Now I see what you mean by "Neo Fusion"! (http://www.muse.ie/archive/reviews/revu ... etrio.html) Hear the samples!<BR>It's like playing 3 CDs at the same time! The drums "playing" Jazz, The piano salsa and the bass...well, that guy must be a frustrated drum player! (I'm so sorry, I couldn't resist)

[Luis]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ~Leslie:<BR><B> Anyhow, I am v-e-r-y curious and cannot resist asking whether you have ever heard Uri Caine's Mahler album:<BR>Urlicht/Primal Light, and if so, did it shock your socks off?~ </B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>For those who have actually heard Mahler's 5th I'd urge NOT to listen the first sample: "funeral March" YES of the poor Mahler! <BR> <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000007RYQ/o/qid=979801931/sr=8-1/ref=aps_sr_cm_1_1/104-0841966-7934339" TARGET=_blank>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000007RYQ/o/qid=97980193 1/sr=8-1/ref=aps_sr_cm_1_1/104-0841966-7934339</A> <P>Leslie: Hear the actual symphony!<P>I think they sound like the drunk band after the party has over. Why do they sound SO drunk???<P>Here's a review I'm quoting from an indignated Mahler fan from amazon.com: <P><I> At first, I was quite pleased when a friend gave me what I thought was a Mahler CD. Until I listened to it, that is. <P>I could not fathom why the instruments were so horribly out of tune, sliding and screeching their way around the notes and rhythms. I was aghast, then hysterical with laughter. I kept the CD to play for friends, who were either too pained or nauseated to listen. Some joined in my derisive laughter, asking to hear it again and again, as one would repeatedly watch his favorite episode of the Three Stooges.<P>Mahler's 5th Symphony and "Kindertotenlieder" are very dear to me, having performed these works. "Kindertotenlieder" are a study in expressivity and the depths of grief. Caine has made a silly, stupid mockery of these profound works. Equally ridiculous, the packaging and liner notes of the CD insinuate that of a classical work. Again, the pretension is absurd and laughable. </I><P><p>[This message has been edited by Luis (edited 01-18-2001).]

[~Leslie]

Are you OK Luis? <g> ~#:P<P>I guess it did shock yer sox off.<P>It's OK, this is not a guy I'm into, I swear!! LOL!~<P>P.S. I loved your review!!<P>

[Luis]

No, I wasn't ok yesterday! I guess I suffered for the same hysterical reaction of that poor girl I quoted (with nonsense laughs included). My apologies...<p>[This message has been edited by Luis (edited 01-18-2001).]

[Peter]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ~Leslie:<BR><B> I promise to practice more, too, maybe cut another recording. Ciao! </B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Another recording, Les? If you`d care to share, I`m curious about your first effort(s)?

[Peter]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by serge urtizberea:<BR><B><BR>This thread was a refreshing thing to read after my short absence. I want to say that the speculations that you all have about what Beethoven would have done were he alive today are totally moot. ANYTHING could happen. Beethoven would, first of all, have been raised under different cultural influences. As far as I think, he'd likely would have become a pianist, not a composer. No market anymore for a c.m. composer unless you're writing that inane tripe that passes for "modern". He'd play the great works of Bach, Handel, Schumann, Lizt, Rachmaninoff, and Schubert, who could very well have aspired to great heights were it not for Ludwig. Unless, of course, his inspiration lay with Ludwig... in which case... see what I mean? Too moot.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Schubert DID aspire to, & indeed achieve, very great heights. Yes, his career was dwarfed by the simultaneous one of Beethoven. Yes, Schubert worshipped the ground on which Beethoven walked. Yes, it`s probable that Schubert would not have stretched himself so spectacularly, especially when he knew death was imminent, in the fields of the symphony, string quartet & piano sonata, had he not been trying to emulate the master. But the fact remains that he is regarded as, arguably, the greatest melodist of all the great composers, and, universally, the greatest songwriter ever. Couple these facts with his shy, retiring nature, the lack of appreciation of his music in his lifetime and his superhuman, qualitative output, allied to his death at 31, & one should be drawn to the single, most suitable word which best sums him up: Genius.

[Luis]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ~Leslie:<BR><B>Are you OK Luis? <g> ~#:P<P>I guess it did shock yer sox off.<P>It's OK, this is not a guy I'm into, I swear!! LOL!~<P>P.S. I loved your review!!<BR></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>You won't believe this (well maybe you do) but I posted the address of your Uri CD on a Mahler forum just to have a good laugh and some people there knew, own and actually LIKE the CD!!!! Can you believe this? I can’t!!! Should I congratulate you again???!!! <p>[This message has been edited by Luis (edited 01-18-2001).]

[~Leslie]

~#:0<BR>Ack! No Luis, please don't! Alright! I confess, I am a terrible court jester on the internet..........<P><BR> Some ppl actually like free jazz Luis, even the stuff that sounds like someone's waving a chainsaw around your ears, or a construction crew building a skyscraper. (Ives & Britten are now nursery rythmes....)<BR>I'm not quite that "liberated", but I DO like Jobim and Nascimento, you are South American, surely you know who they are.<P>I don't mean to detract from Ludwig or Gustav, or any of the wonderful masters discussed in here. I have deep reverence for them; I am here to learn, but I cannot help but become a light divertimento in the process! It is the only way I can contribute, and I beg everyone's indulgence.~<BR><p>[This message has been edited by ~Leslie (edited 01-19-2001).]

[barfle]

OK, I've been gone a few weeks and this topic has grown and spread and even flowered. I'd like to revive a discussion that seemed to go in a direction I found interesting, but it disappeared. There were many references to Mike Oldfield's Tubular Bells. I personally have three copies of that work, one is the original LP, one is a quadraphonic LP, and I also have the CD. I enjoy the piece even though I didn't recall the music being played in The Exorcist (I was distracted by, well, let's leave it at that).<P>There are other works in a similar genre that I'd like to mention as worthy of comment. The first is Rick Wakeman's Journey To The Centre of The Earth. Although written during his blotto period, I at one time felt it was the best "serious" work written during the 1970s. It's clear that he's not just another self-taught synthesizer pounder.<P>The next one is Jeff Wayne's War of The Worlds. This piece is a couple of hours long, and although it certainly contains rock and roll, it's as serious a work as many others I've seen commented in this forum.<P>The fact that both works are based on science fiction from H.G. Welles might be a coicidence, I'm not sure. I'm interested in hearing any comments from those familiar with any or all of the works!