Wagner Again

[Selma in Sandy Eggo]

Don't care about Pete. Baseball bores me.

If you edit "To Kill a Mockingbird" for present-day political correctness, it completely loses the point of the play. Leave it alone; it is an accurate portrayal of historical and cultural fact.

Wagner's music is GREAT. Yes, it often runs too long to hear an entire piece at one sitting but that's why the CD player has a pause button and the opera house has an intermission, or two, or three.

Wagner's social opinions offend me but his music is still great. The work of a genius is not the same thing as the life of the genius; it stands on its own despite the other facets of his life. Come to think of it, the social opinions of most old dead folks offend me, somewhere. Live folks aren't immune, either.

And you have to admit that Bugs Bunny wouldn't have sung any other composer so well....

[Selma in Sandy Eggo]

Hey, new page. Party hats for all

[treebeau]

Originally posted by audiogirl:
...(Pulls at earlobe as she types.)

How appropos!
Get it? AUDIOgirl...EARLOBE!

Regards,
Tim B.

[shostakovich]

Good one, Tim.

For anybody interested in revisionist history, just follow our stories on Iraq. If WMD are never found, they will become lesser reasons for the war. This morning I heard part of a Rumsfeld talk. There was no mention, at least in that part, of democratization, but plenty of talk about forming "their own government". The Bush tax cut signed went from "itty bitty" to a triumph. I hear "commander-in-chief" rather than "president" more frequently now.

I could go on Bush-bashing for longer than a Haggis post (just kidding, buddy), but I'll go right for the jugular. Hitler and Stalin, notwithstanding their other failings, had some appreciation of the classical tradition (however distorted). The current administration appears to have NO interest in the ARTS (among other things) WHATSOEVER. That "long decline" in the quality of the arts is now taking another precipitous drop. And that's a whole 'nother thread.
Shos

[bignaf]

about Wagner's Jewish freinds.
Meyerbeer helped him get Rienzi performed in Paris and helped him a lot early in his career. Wagner then went on to slam him in his pamphlet about Jewsih musicians.
Levi the conductor conducted Parsifal at Beyreuth. I think at the premier. he and Wagner were friends. Wagner could like Jews if it fit with his plans. though I don't think Wagner ever "liked" anybody if he didn't get anything out of it.

[dkm32]

Originally posted by shostakovich:
The current administration appears to have NO interest in the ARTS (among other things) WHATSOEVER. That "long decline" in the quality of the arts is now taking another precipitous drop. And that's a whole 'nother thread.
Shos

Ah, heck, Shos. This thread has been so hijacked, why stop now?

Interest in the Arts would general suggest more education than the average plebeian. If ShrubHead encouraged that sort of thing, he might be found out! Don't want that to happpen, would he!

[BenMurphy6]

Ben,

I think the analogy holds - Pete Rose not be honored for his talent in baseball because of what he did off the field (yes he bet on baseball games, but only that his team would win; a far cry from throwing games to win bets).

oh, i understand thorny; i just think baseball really sucks

[haggis]

EJA,
Yeah, I re-posted it. I was NOT going to write a whole new one and I figured it's just as easy to ignore a long re-post as to ignore a whole new long post.

[priya978]

Good thing you typed that to correct lliam Big. I thought I was going to have to move my fingers!! (Which isn't that funny considering after playing Rachmaninoff for the last three days.. OWWW!!)

[lliam]

Originally posted by eugene a.:
Good thing you typed that to correct lliam Big. I thought I was going to have to move my fingers!! (Which isn't that funny considering after playing Rachmaninoff for the last three days.. OWWW!!)

==================================================
eugene,
Can't you find an adolescent site and leave these boards to the adults.

[BenMurphy6]

er, i don't think e meant anything by that, lliam..

[audiogirl]

Originally posted by treebeau:

Originally posted by audiogirl:
[b]...(Pulls at earlobe as she types.)

How appropos!
Get it? AUDIOgirl...EARLOBE!

Regards,
Tim B. [/b]

(faulty alto voice)
"I'm so glad we had this time togetherrrrrr...."

[OperaTenor]

Boy, my computer gets broken for a couple of days and looks what happens!

Selma, your post at the top of this page: Ditto! All the way!

Tim, more support for the moniker I gave you on the other thread.

Haggis, I'm in awe. Do you spend your life gathering all of this information, or is it Google searches?

[OperaTenor]

[quote]Originally posted by operatenor:
[b]
A friend of mine told me last night of classic books and historical facts in public schools being altered for the sake of being inoffensive to various races or beliefs. Does anyone know if this is true? As an example, in To Kill A Mockingbird, all derogatory refences to Afro-americans have been removed or "P.C.'d"?!! :p

Tylenol's just not cuttin' it.

[priya978]

lliam-

Obviously you need your meds. Take something to take down that blood pressure too. And take down your guard, not everything is an insult. That sounds like something I heard once upon a time. I'm not the adolescent.

<small>[ 05-29-2003, 12:09 AM: Message edited by: eugene a. ]</small>

[OperaTenor]

Holster that flamethrower, E!

[audiogirl]

I haven't heard of this happening, OT, but I agree with you 100%. Sorry if it read as though I didn't.

My 'don't read it' was an attempt to express my frustration with those who can't see the the literary forest for the trees.

<small>[ 05-29-2003, 09:38 AM: Message edited by: audiogirl ]</small>

[stormy]

my situation is quite like shostackotich(not the composer) .
i only hear his orchestral piece.
as a guy who kown nothing about German and not crazy for opera,it's really difficult to appreciate his opera completely.
but i know some guys in china in order to appreciate Wagner begin to study German

crazy!

[Valerie]

ok - i was wondering when the wagner issue was going to hit

wagner is one of my favorite composers - but i do have a hard time sometimes dealing with this, due to his political philosophies...

nevertheless - his music is powerful, nobody can dispute that, which is why hitler and stalin and many world crazies identify with the music - it makes them feel powerful, even though they were mentally weak, evil people

oh well

we need to try to separate the man, who was fallable, from the music and keep that in mind

another point - he was german, very german and there is that whole "german thing" pride, honor, etc. - not that other ethnic groups do not have this, but germans are different when it comes to things like this - as are true russians - there is just something about them (and i am talking about good things, not bad things)

there is nothing wrong with nationalism, as long as the nationalist does not exclude all others or put themselves on the top of the mountain - which is what wagner did

now - another favorite composer - shostakovich - very nationalistic - as i said on another post, you can hear "mother russia" in his symphonies - but shostakovich was not, and did not think himself to be the answer to music, like wagner...

oh well - it's hard to separate the composer from the music, but we need to try, but not to much, as it is the composer and his times that make the music...

that's my 2 cents...

[OperaTenor]

Originally posted by operatenor:

Originally posted by operatenor:
Didn't Richard, Lindsay, and Honus Wagner record that famous anti-semite number, "Blowin' in the Wind" in the '60's? :p

Tylenol's just not cuttin' it.

Don't tell me that was bad humor? Just form a picture in your mind, of the three of them standing on a SNL-like stage...

Hi Jennifer, I misunderstood you, and thanks.