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What's Wrong With Benjamin Britten?

Postby shostakovich » Sun Jan 14, 2001 2:31 pm

Britten was held in pretty high regard by some of his contemporaries, including my namesake, Shostakovich. American critics always wrote repectfully of his music. Whatsup in Britain, guys?<P>There's a lot to like and a lot not to like. I'm not heavily into Britten, but the Grimes Interludes seem very nice, as do the Gloriana dances. The YPGTTO sounds better if you call it GTTO. I also enjoy Sinfonia da Requiem on occasion. The Serenade for Tenor, Horn and Strings is unloveable unless you are into the poets involved. What little I've heard of the War Requiem is enough not to want to touch it again. The Simple Symphony's charms don't hold up long with me. I don't fault Britten for not pleasing me. OUR individual preferences are what make us different, and interesting to one another. Now I'll get off the dais, and actually ask the question. Which of Britten's compositions do you object to? And what, if any, do you like?<BR>Shos.
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Re: What's Wrong With Benjamin Britten?

Postby Peter » Mon Jan 15, 2001 3:49 pm

Shos, I really can`t put my finger on why Britten`s music does little for me. Possibly the fact that he was invested into our House of Lords (Lord Britten of Aldeburgh) simply for being a "good" composer rankles with me - peerages for those involved with the arts really are two a penny. I know this shouldn`t influence my views on his music, but I can`t help it! Also, he thought Beethoven was overrated ("bombastic" I think was his word, although I`m not sure), so there`s another black mark in my book.<P>Of course, Britten`s music is not all bad. The Shostakovich appreciation was mutual, & I do like Britten`s last major piece, the string quartet, op.94 - a homage to the Russian. Very moving. I agree with you about TYPGTTO. I can always listen to the Cello Symphony (written for Rostropovich). His piano music is too unquantative to be very highly regarded, in my view. Some of his songs are lovely, & again, you`re right, Shos, the Serenade for tenor, horn & strings, as well as the Nocturne, op.60, are exquisite. I am not a huge fan of vocal music generally, so perhaps the kindest thing I can say about Britten`s Church Parables & operas is that maybe they go over my head! Billy Budd is tolerable, but I can`t take to the all-male cast.<P>I`d say that Death in Venice is Britten`s most poignant work, but that`s probably because he knew he was dying while he was composing it. He was also questioning his worth as a composer - pity Beethoven wasn`t around to offer his view! Image
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Re: What's Wrong With Benjamin Britten?

Postby Michael » Mon Jan 15, 2001 6:32 pm

Shos, I was being mostly facetious in my remarks about Britten. I happened to mention him in some message and something in Peter's reply led me to believe he wasn't a great fan of BB either so it went on from there.<BR>Peter has just shown that he knows more about BB than I do - so his dislike has a more reasonable foundation.<BR>All I'm going on is the fact that he made disparaging remarks about Brahms and Beethoven, and that any of his music I have heard, I haven't much liked. But I could say that about most twentieth-century composers so I suppose I'm being unfair to poor Ben. After all, he was entitled to his opinion about Beethoven, the silly half-wit (not Beethoven......)<P>Michael
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Re: What's Wrong With Benjamin Britten?

Postby shostakovich » Wed Jan 17, 2001 1:32 am

Thanks, Peter and Michael, for your responses. I always look forward to your commentaries.<BR>Shos
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Re: What's Wrong With Benjamin Britten?

Postby lliam » Wed Jan 17, 2001 5:06 pm

Hi Shos,<BR> sorry but this is all that I could think of, I havent heard his works for a long long time so I can't really air my views about him oh well here goes.<P>Lliam.<P>Benjamin Britten was born in Lowestoft, England, on November 22, 1913 - St. Cecilia's Day. His earliest exposure to music came from his mother, who was an amateur singer. He began composing his first works at the age of five, and produced prolifically throughout his childhood, despite his lack of musical guidance. When he was six, he wrote a play, "The Royal Falily" [sic]; it was about the death of Prince John, the fifth son of George V, at the age of 13 in 1919. He would compose before breakfast, to have time to go to school. As a young boy he enjoyed mathematics, and was the captain of the cricket team. When he was eleven, Britten was discovered by Frank Bridge, a composer who had recently become interested in experimental styles and the work of Bartók and Schoenberg. Bridge gave Britten a technical foundation on which to base his creativity and introduced him to a wide range of composers from many different countries.<BR> <BR>In 1930, Britten entered the Royal College of Music to study piano and composition under Harold Samuel and Arthur Benjamin. He did not find the RCM to be very helpful; in his later years Britten remarked that he "did not learn much." This was partially because the director was Sir Hugh Allen, an associate of Ralph Vaughan Williams, who was a professor there. Vaughan Williams disliked "brilliance", and "technical virtuosity for its own sake", and showed great distaste for the work of Frank Bridge.<P>One of Britten's first jobs was composing music for documentary films produced by the General Post Office, starting in April 1935. This gave him a good background for writing operas in the future, because of television's unconventional challenges (New Grove, p. 293). An example of this is from the music to the film Coal Face. In order to recreate the effect of a train approaching through a tunnel, Britten recorded a cymbal crash, and reversed it.<P>Through his work at the GPO, Britten also met W.H. Auden (4 July 1935); Britten used Auden's poetry in Hymn to St. Cecilia (1942). <P><BR>Trip to America<P><BR>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<P>Eventually Auden emigrated to the United States. This led Britten to make up his mind to go to America in 1939, along with his friend, the tenor Peter Pears. Britten went to the United States out of discontent; he was also a conscientious objector. Britten's anti-war feelings show quite prominently in the War Requiem. <BR>In 1942, though, Britten decided to go back home to England. One contributing factor to this decision is said to be his reading of an article on the Suffolk poet Crabbe (New Grove, p. 293). The poem "The Borough", particulary its section about Peter Grimes, moved Britten. Later the opera Peter Grimes would be one of his most important works. During the voyage home in March, 1942, he wrote Hymn to St. Cecilia. Shortly after his return, in 1943, he composed Rejoice in the Lamb. <BR> <P><BR>War Requiem<P>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<P>The War Requiem was completed 20 December 1961, and first performed 30 May 1962. It was held as the most impressive British choral work since Walton's Belshazzar's Forest in 1931. The work enjoyed enormous popularity among critics. William Mann of the Times, in a preliminary article, had some typical descriptions: "disturbing", "denounces barbarism", and "Britten's masterpiece." Some critics railed against its great popularity, including Stravinsky, who was annoyed that it wasn't really allowed to be criticized, because, in criticizing it, one would "be made to feel if one had failed to stand up for 'God Save the Queen.'" <P>Stravinsky, however, had some reasons to be annoyed at Britten, especially after Auden reported to him that Britten liked The Rake's Progress - "everything but the music." Stravinsky followed in Britten's footsteps on a few pieces, sometimes too close; he changed the title of his original Sinfonia da Requiem to Requiem Canticles because of the existing Britten work by that name. <P>After the War Requiem, the Cantata Misericordium was his next "public" work, composed for the centenary of the Red Cross, with Latin text describing the Parable of the Good Samaritan. Another anti-war work of Britten's was Owen Wingrave, by Myfanwy Piper; this came after the Vietnam War and the incident at Kent State. <P><BR>Later Life<P><BR>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<P> Britten received many prizes and honors, including becoming a Companion of Honour in 1952, and a member of the Order of Merit in 1965. The Order of Merit was his most cherished honor; only twenty-four people are allowed to be members at one time. Since its creation in 1902 only two composers prior to Britten received this honor: Elgar in 1912, and Vaughan Williams in 1935. In 1964 he was awarded the Gold Medal of the Royal Philharmonic Society. At fifty he won the Robert O. Anderson Aspen Award in the Humanities, which was a $30,000 prize, and two citations from the New York Music Critics Circle for A Midsummer Night's Dream and the War Requiem. In 1974 he won the French government's Ravel Prize. He was also made a life peer in 1976, the year of his death; the Encyclopedia Britannica entry calls him Baron Britten. He was the first musician to receive this honor. <BR>However, Britten was not arrogant; he stated, "People sometimes seem to think that, with a number of works now lying behind, one must be bursting with confidence. It is not so at all. I haven't achieved the simplicity I should like in my music, and I am enormously aware that I haven't yet come up to the technical standards Bridge set me."<P> <P>After the 1968 Aldeburgh Festival, Britten came down with an infection, which was diagnosed as sub-acute bacterial endocarditis. This disease had killed Mahler, but Britten had the advantage of massive doses of antibiotics. The illness led to the discovery of a valvular heart-lesion, which was probably caused by rheumatic fever as a child. In 1971-72, symptoms of a heart disease recurred. For several years during the latter period of his life Britten had complained of a pain in his left arm when conducting. <P>During Britten's year off composing, Peter Pears wished that Britten should never lose faith in music, so he resumed composing after taking a year off. Britten desperately wanted to finish his last opera, Death in Venice. He did not want to have surgery until he had completed it. Eventually he gave in, though. In 1973, he had an operation to replace a heart valve. He had to be wheeled in on a cart to see its performance for the first time.<P>According to Pears, Britten had no fear of dying, and no convictions as to what followed death. He died 4 December 1976, in Aldeburgh.<P><BR>Important People<P><BR>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<P><BR>Peter Pears, Britten, and John Culshaw (a producer from Decca Records).<P>Wilfred Owen (18****918)<BR>The World War I soldier whose poetry was used in the War Requiem.<P>Frank Bridge (1879-1941)<BR>During Britten's youth, his teacher; Bridge met Britten at the Norwich Festival in 1924, when Britten was 10. He studied at the Royal College of Music, but was detached from the musical "establishment", causing many of his works to be ignored until Britten revived them years later at the Aldeburgh Festival. <P>Peter Pears (1910-1986)<BR>The tenor that much of Britten's work is for; Britten and Pears were close friends and emigrated to North America together.<P>Major Works<P><BR>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<P>War Requiem<P>Peter Grimes<P>Billy Budd<P>The Turn of the Screw<P>A Midsummer Night's Dream<P>Curlew River<P>Death in Venice<P>A Young Person's Guide to the Orchestra<P>Ceremony of Carols<P>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<P>
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Re: What's Wrong With Benjamin Britten?

Postby Peter » Thu Jan 18, 2001 4:31 pm

Lliam, thanks for the info, much of which was new to me.
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Re: What's Wrong With Benjamin Britten?

Postby lliam » Fri Jan 19, 2001 8:52 am

Thanks Peter,<BR> you've made my day, its nice to know that this Bulletin Board is helping someone learn something new, I personally have learnt a great deal about music since I first signed up with beethoven.com last year.<BR>Lliam.<P>
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Re: What's Wrong With Benjamin Britten?

Postby shostakovich » Fri Jan 19, 2001 6:01 pm

Hi Lliam. It's good to have you back. It seems you were gone for a bit. That was an heroic amount of info on Britten. I was particularly interested to read that Vaughan-Williams didn't like Bridge's "flashiness". Until late in the century his name was known here only through Britten's Variations on a Theme of Frank Bridge. So he really did his mentor a service. Bridge's music,itself, started appearing here in the 70s, with no sign of influence from Bartok or Schoenberg. It was a pleasant diversion. <P>I also got a kick out of Britten's liking everything about Stravinsky's The Rake's Progress "except the music". Such commentary might apply to the War Requiem, based on what you, Lliam, wrote. It's also a fitting rap at Stravinsky who knocked Vivaldi for the "sameness" of his concertos.<P>I looked into an old book (1956) called Composers on Composers. In one article by Honegger taken from his I am a Composer (1951), Honegger comments on the crap being written at that time, wondering why any young person would want to become a composer. He singles out some "men of great talent", 17 in all. Some have become footnotes since then, but among them we have Britten, and my guy, Shostakovich. Stravinsky wasn't mentioned.<P>Elsewhere, in a NY Times article, Copland categorizes composers in terms of approachability. Shostakovich is "very easy", Britten and Honegger are "fairly difficult". In 1949 only Shostakovich's first 9 symphonies had been written. No. 2, 3, 4 (more troublesome) had not appeared in the west. I'm not sure about #8. I don't understand why Britten and Honegger were in the fairly difficult category, but around that time Honegger made a conscious effort to be more "listener-friendly". I thought Britten was already there at the time. Maybe not. Anyway, thanks again for your voluminous contribution, Lliam.<BR>Shos
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Re: What's Wrong With Benjamin Britten?

Postby shostakovich » Fri Jan 19, 2001 6:03 pm

Oops! The Copland article was from 1949.
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Re: What's Wrong With Benjamin Britten?

Postby lliam » Sat Jan 20, 2001 9:11 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by shostakovich:<BR><B>Hi Lliam. It's good to have you back. It seems you were gone for a bit. That was an heroic amount of info on Britten. I was particularly interested to read that Vaughan-Williams didn't like Bridge's "flashiness". Until late in the century his name was known here only through Britten's Variations on a Theme of Frank Bridge. So he really did his mentor a service. Bridge's music,itself, started appearing here in the 70s, with no sign of influence from Bartok or Schoenberg. It was a pleasant diversion. <P>I also got a kick out of Britten's liking everything about Stravinsky's The Rake's Progress "except the music". Such commentary might apply to the War Requiem, based on what you, Lliam, wrote. It's also a fitting rap at Stravinsky who knocked Vivaldi for the "sameness" of his concertos.<P>I looked into an old book (1956) called Composers on Composers. In one article by Honegger taken from his I am a Composer (1951), Honegger comments on the crap being written at that time, wondering why any young person would want to become a composer. He singles out some "men of great talent", 17 in all. Some have become footnotes since then, but among them we have Britten, and my guy, Shostakovich. Stravinsky wasn't mentioned.<P>Elsewhere, in a NY Times article, Copland categorizes composers in terms of approachability. Shostakovich is "very easy", Britten and Honegger are "fairly difficult". In 1949 only Shostakovich's first 9 symphonies had been written. No. 2, 3, 4 (more troublesome) had not appeared in the west. I'm not sure about #8. I don't understand why Britten and Honegger were in the fairly difficult category, but around that time Honegger made a conscious effort to be more "listener-friendly". I thought Britten was already there at the time. Maybe not. Anyway, thanks again for your voluminous contribution, Lliam.<BR>Shos</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>
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Re: What's Wrong With Benjamin Britten?

Postby lliam » Sat Jan 20, 2001 9:43 am

Hi Shos,<BR> glad you liked my contribution to youre topic on Sir Benjeman Britten,it was just something that I researched at my local Library, as you know I am not fully fledged in the Classical Music Department, but I am learning a bit at a time, as I said in my reply to Peter, I have learnt a great deal since I opened my acccount with beethoven,com. I havent been away I have been on the curcuit so to speak, it's Dreamwarior(Jeffery) whose missing beleivd to have been kidnapped. I answered his call for Help on the 4th or 5th in Musical Notes, and I havent seen any reply to my suggestion in fact he has'nt been seen or heard of since(very mysterious or what) I love reading about your mystery composers etc, even though I can't join in simply because I havent got a clue, maybeI will be able to join in when I gain a little more knowledge, who knows I may start my own trivia quiz, keep writing, Shos,<BR>Lliam.<P>
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