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The History Of The English Civil Wars

Postby lliam » Tue Jun 10, 2003 12:52 pm

The History Of The English Civil Wars
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The Bishops' Wars, 1639 and 1640
The Bishops' Wars were fought between the Scots and English forces led by Charles I. These conflicts paved the way for the uprising of Parliament that began the English civil wars.
Charles I was attempting to enforce Anglican reforms onto the Scottish church. However the Scots were opposed to this, and even wanted to destroy the control that bishops had over the church. To this end, Charles' reforms were rejected by the Scottish Assembly at Glasgow in 1638.
Charles was furious that the Scots had rejected his proposals, and hastily formed an English force with which to march on Scotland in 1639. He did not have the funds for such a military expedition, nor confidence in his troops, so he was forced to leave Scotland without fighting a battle.

The unrest continued in Scotland, and when Charles discovered that they had been plotting with the French he again decided to mount a military expedition. This time, Charles called Parliament in order to get funds (1640).
When parliament formed, they immediately wanted to discuss grievances against the government, and were generally opposed to any military operation. This angered Charles and he dismissed parliament again, hence the name "Short Parliament" that it is commonly given.
Charles went ahead with his military operation without Parliament's support, and was beaten by the Scots. The Scots, taking advantage of this, went on to seize Northumberland and Durham.
Charles found himself in a desperate position, and was forced to call parliament again in November, 1640. This parliament is known as the "Long Parliament".
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The Civil Wars 1642-51
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The tension between Charles and Parliament was still great, since none of the issues raised by the Short Parliament had been resolved. This tension was brought to a head on January 4th, 1642 when Charles attempted to arrest five members of parliament. This attempt failed, since they were spirited away before the king's troops arrived.
Charles left London and both he and parliament began to stockpile military resources and recruit troops.
Charles officially began the war by raising his standard at Nottingham in August, 1642. Robert Devereux (3rd Earl of Essex) was made parliamentary commander.
At this stage of the wars, parliament had no wish to kill the king. It was hoped that Charles could be reinstated as ruler, but with a more constructive attitude to parliament.
The majority of the country was neutral in the civil wars, and both sides only had about 13,000 men in 1642.

The areas of Royalist support tended to be the North, West and Wales. Parliament were supported by the richer South and East, including London. Parliament also held most of the ports, since the merchants that ran them saw more profit in a parliament-lead country.
Parliament definitely had access to more resources than the king, and could collect taxes. Charles had to depend on donations from his supporters to fund his armies.

The first war stretched from 1642 to 1646, beginning with the king's raising of the standard.

Charles marched on London, hoping for a quick victory that would negate the benefits of parliament's resources. He was met at Edgehill (Oct 23 1642) by Essex and a battle was fought. This battle proved inconclusive, but failed to stop Charles' advance. He was met by another force at Turnham Green, however, and was forced to turn away from London.
Charles withdrew to Oxford, where his headquarters was based for the rest of the war.

In 1643, many battles were fought all over the country.
The royalist forces won at Adwalton Moor (Jun 30), taking control of Yorkshire. They also won at Lansdown and Roundway Down (Jul) in the South-West, allowing Prince Rupert to take Bristol.
The forces of parliament won at Winceby (Oct 11), taking Lincoln, but on the whole had the worst part of military actions for the year.
At Newbury (Sep), a large battle took place that was inconclusive. After this testing of the major armies, both sides sought allies elsewhere.
Parliament drew up the "Solemn League & Covenant", which promised the Scots religious reforms in return for their help.
Charles negotiated a cease-fire in Ireland that freed English troops for action on the mainland.

In 1644, military actions were more balanced. Parliament won at Marston Moor (Jul 2), allowing them to take York with the Scots' help. They lost at Lostwithiel in the South-West, and withdrew from Newbury after a second inconclusive battle.

In 1645, the New Model Army was formed by Fairfax. This army won two important victories, at Naseby (Jun 14) and at Langport (Jul 10), effectively destroying all of Charles' armies.

In 1646, Charles had little choice but to disband his remaining forces. Oxford surrendered, and Charles fled North seeking refuge with the Scots, bringing the first war to a close.
Charles was ransomed by parliament, and held at Holmby House whilst parliament drew up proposals. In the mean time, parliament began to disband its army.
However, the army was unhappy about issues such as arrears of pay and living conditions, and resisted the disbandment. Eventually the army kidnapped Charles in an attempt to win a bargaining piece. However, Charles escaped to the Isle of Wight.
Increasingly concerned, the army marched to London (Aug 1647) and debated proposals of their own at Putney.
Charles took advantage of this shift of emphasis away from him to negotiate a new agreement with the Scots, again promising church reform (Dec 28 1647). This agreement lead to the second war.
A series of royalist rebellions and a Scottish invasion (Jul 1648) took place. However, all were defeated by the now powerful standing army. This new betrayal by Charles caused parliament to debate whether Charles should be returned to power at all. Those who still supported Charles' place on the throne tried once more to negotiate with him.
The army, angry that parliament were still considering Charles as a ruler, marched on parliament and conducted "Pride's Purge" (named such since the commanding officer of the operation was Sir Thomas Pride). 45 MP's were arrested, 146 were kept out of parliament, and only 75 were allowed in, and then only to do the army's bidding.
This rump parliament was ordered to set up a high court of justice in order to try Charles I for treason in the name of the people of England.

The trial of the king (Jan 1649) found Charles guilty as charged, and he was beheaded on January 30th.
Oliver Cromwell then lead the army in quelling revolts in Ireland and Scotland (1649-50) to finally restore an uneasy peace.
Charles II was then crowned in Scotland, claiming that the throne was rightfully his. He marched with the Scots on England. Cromwell beat the Scottish forces at Dunbar (Sep 3 1650), but could not prevent Charles II marching deep into England.
Cromwell finally engaged the new king at Worcester (Sep 3 1651) and beat him. Charles II fled abroad, ending the civil wars.
The Commonwealth was then established, with Oliver Cromwell as Lord Protector of England.
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Re: The History Of The English Civil Wars

Postby BenODen » Tue Jun 10, 2003 3:23 pm

Hmmm. So, how long did it take for the Scotts and English to be good friends? I get the feeling that they are at the moment...

I'm trying to Compare your civil wars to US history where our Civil war (1860 to 1865) leaves the south and the north, who of course faught over states rights and slavery, with significant differences that we perhaps ignore more than we should.

The resolution of that question of freedom for African-Americans still causes much discussion, even after almost 140 years. Issues ranging from the treatment African-Americans receive in the Court system (some say it's justice, some say it's injustice) to the problems of rampant poverty and broken families amongst African-Americans.. The causes of the troubles are hotly debated, and show no signs of being resolved.

Were any of those sorts of things documented in English history, now only footnotes in history?

Perhaps I should know more, but ya gotta start someplace.

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Re: The History Of The English Civil Wars

Postby lliam » Wed Jun 11, 2003 7:27 am

Hi Benito,
we still have our differences but, we've been friends for well over a hundred years.
Please read below a Scotsmans words put into a song, I hope you can understand the text. I'm afraid I don't know the tune.

Lliam. :) :D
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Brits.
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I went to a Worldcon(World Science Fiction Convention) in Northwestern Europe
Then visited London, my money to spend.
Found meetings at pubs that were thick with British fandom
I had a great time and met lots of new friends.
There were Englishmen & Scotsmen & Irishmen & Welshmen
And Jerseymen & Manxmen & women as well;
They were witty and friendly and knew the best whiskey --
There was just one slight problem that blew things to hell.
I typed in my fanzine, sent copies to London
Saying "Had a great time with some wonderful Brits."
The locs(The Loyal Order of Chivalry and Sorcery)
came in carloads: "That word's an abortion;
Whoever invented it should be blown to bits."
So next I tried Britishers, which was a non-finisher,
And Britons means Celts who were subjects of Rome;
But when I wrote Englishmen since London's in England,
The loc that came back told me "Yankee go home!"
"Call a Scottish bloke English, he'll force-feed you haggis,
And won't let you near Glasgow in '95.
Call an Irishman English if he is from Ulster,
And you won't get out of this filksong alive.
We are Englishmen & Scotsmen & Irishmen & Welshmen
And Jerseymen & Manxmen & womenfolk too."
These United Kingdom persons nearly drove me to distraction
But then I looked up and knew just what to do:

I went with that loc to my friends down in Georgia
Where it raised such a ruckus as you never saw
"Well Ah do declare they ah callin' us Yankees;
Of course they must know that this insult means wah!"
So we settled at gunpoint; now we call each other Charlie
And Linda and Zaphod and James, James and James
And Ffynedd ap Something and Leslie and Sandy;
Now my only problem's forgetting their names!
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Re: The History Of The English Civil Wars

Postby BenODen » Wed Jun 11, 2003 9:12 am

*laugh* Funny. Reads just fine as a poem! (Not a given of course) Yankee Georgian indeed!

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Re: The History Of The English Civil Wars

Postby lliam » Wed Jun 11, 2003 2:21 pm

Originally posted by Benito Of Denver:
*laugh* Funny. Reads just fine as a poem! (Not a given of course) Yankee Georgian indeed!

-Benito
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Benito, I always thought that yankee was american indian for: white man.
Lliam. :D :D :D
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Re: The History Of The English Civil Wars

Postby lliam » Thu Jun 12, 2003 9:22 am

yankee :) :cool: :confused:
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Re: The History Of The English Civil Wars

Postby BenODen » Thu Jun 12, 2003 10:33 am

Huh! I didn't realize the earlier etimology (That's not bugs, right?) But, I guess it's not in general usage in the US.

If you call a westerner a Yankee, he'll say, "Y0, you're not from around here, huh?" I'm not sure about the northerners that aren't Yankee Baseball fans (New York City team) but I suspect you get the same sort of reaction. ("Hey, go home you!") BUT if you call a southerner a Yankee, I'm sure them's fighting words amongst the proud southerers. (Hey, don't you be callin' me that! We woulda won if it weren't for X, Y and Z!)

Georgia, Alabama, Louisiana, South Carolina, Virginia, and Mississippi are what I consider to be the core southern states, but then I havent lived in the south or even really visited it extensively, so there may be more that are strong in that culture. Texas has it's own axe to grind, that's certain. (Florida paradoxicly isn't as culturally southern because of it's melting pot nature. Many people from all over the United States move there, and the natives don't get bent out of shape very often, as far as I can tell...)

FWIW...

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Re: The History Of The English Civil Wars

Postby barfle » Thu Jun 12, 2003 11:49 am

Down hyar whar they say y'awl, calling someone a "yankee" will git ya what fer, fer certain!

I recall a story about a suthun lad who was stationed in a foreign country, apparently visiting Britain. Someone there in the course of a conversation said "you yanks," and the guy made it perfectly clear that he was under no circumstances to be referred to as a "yankee."

As a nearly life-long resident of California, I was called a yank by English-speaking non-Americans several times, and I understood it to simply mean a resident of the US.

I heard one possible origin of the word was from a Native American tribe who lived in what is now called New England. The word meant "coward."
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Re: The History Of The English Civil Wars

Postby bignaf » Thu Jun 12, 2003 12:35 pm

Yankee:
means American when uttered by non-Americans.
means Northern when uttered by Southerners.
means New Englander when uttered by northerners.
means a guy on a farm in Maine when uttered by a New Englander.
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Re: The History Of The English Civil Wars

Postby BenODen » Thu Jun 12, 2003 1:39 pm

*smacks forehead* No Wonder! That's a quadruple standard!
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Re: The History Of The English Civil Wars

Postby lliam » Sat Aug 02, 2003 6:50 am

Edgehill 1642.
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Date(s) 23 Oct 1642
War English Civil Wars
Description
Location Kineton, Warwickshire, England
Forces Engaged Royalist: 11,000
Parliamentarian: 13,000
Total 24,000

Principal Commanders Royalist: King Charles I

Parliamentarian: Robert Devereux , 3rd Earl of Essex
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