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Horrors of History Archive...

Postby lliam » Fri Jul 25, 2003 8:31 am

Horrors of history archive
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We’ve been doing truly horrible things to each other, our children, and ourselves since long before Australopithecus learned to pee standing up. We show no signs of stopping or even slowing down. In fact, the biggest advance we've made in our 2 Million year history is that bigger brains have made us that much better at it.
Our second biggest evolutionary leap has been in our ability to lie convincingly. We have become so adept at this that we even manage to convince ourselves that incidents like these are the exceptions. 'It’s not my fault!'

Nov 1, 1994 Some South Korean cannibals known as the chijon family are sentenced to death for murdering and eating five people. Ex-convict Kim ki wwan and several other prisoners, in solidarity against the wealthy, founded the group in 1993. 'Eat the rich'.

Nov 3, 1755 Massachusetts offers a 20-pound bounty for scalps of Indian boys or girls under the age of 12. Warrior scalps go for 30 pounds.

Nov 8, 1800 In "federal bonfire number one," a mysterious fire swept the offices of the U.S department of war, destroying books and papers; after republicans had demanded proof the federalists had properly expended that money set-aside for the army.

Nov 8, 1868 Powder river country, including the black hills, is given to Lakota tribe "forever" by treaty. within a decade, white settlers, business interests, and the U.S army seize the region.

Nov 8, 1960 Washington state voters refuse to repeal "alien land law" provision of the state constitution barring Asians from owning property.

Nov 8, 1972 "trail of broken treaties" march occupies bureau of Indian affairs (bia), Washington.

Nov 8, 1974 Lt. William Calley is paroled after serving about three years under house arrest in his apartment for overseeing the murder of over 500 Vietnamese civilians - men, women, and children - at my lai.

Mar 20, 1960 South African police massacre 69 black civil rights demonstrators in Sharpeville incident, which moves African national congress (anc) to abandon its policy of non-violence.

Mar 20, 1995 Members of the aum cult release sarin nerve gas in the Tokyo subway. 11 people die and 5,500 are injured. The cult's doctrine of ‘poa’ makes mass murder the way to save their own souls. They had intended eventually to produce 70 tons of the gas.

Mar 20, 1996 Erik and Lyle Menendez convicted of 1st degree murder. They killed their parents for their money, and then lied all about it.

Mar 21, 1980 Mobster Angelo Bruno killed with a shotgun blast to the head while he waits in his car after dinner. The Genovese family thus asserted Philadelphia’s traditional claim to Atlantic city. His replacement is his former capo, Phil "chicken man" Testa.

Mar 22, 1933 The first ss-run concentration camp, Dachau, receives prisoners.

Mar 22, 1622 A band led by the brother of powhatan slaughters 347 settlers near Jamestown - the first Indian massacre.

Mar 30, 1968 Two children in the bowery come across the body of a homeless drug addict. He is later identified as bobby driscol, 31, the voice of Disney’s 'peter pan'. (The inspiration for J.M. Barrie’s Peter Pan character threw himself in front of a subway train in late middle age, supposedly because he was unable to escape the constant attention of the press.)

Apr 17, 1997 After a newspaper publishes photographs of Belgian paratroopers committing human rights violations during a 1993 U.N peacekeeping mission in Somalia, Belgium’s defence minister announces that the elite fighting unit may be disbanded. The photos show one soldier urinating on a Somali corpse, and two men swinging a child over a campfire by the wrists and ankles.

Apr 18, 1983 62 people are killed and more than 100 injured in a suicide bombing against the U.S Embassy in Beirut. The group Islamic jihad claims responsibility, but the intelligence community believes it was actually the work of Hezbollah.

Apr 19, 1993 More than 80 branch Dravidians burn to death in Waco, TX as the FBI stages a disastrous final assault on their compound, ending a 51-day siege.

Apr 19, 1995 Timothy McVeigh kills 168 people when his truck bomb detonates in front of the Alfred p. hurrah federal building.

May 5, 1955an Internal CIA memo details the need for a drug that creates a state of "pure euphoria" and no letdown. From this sprang operation midnight climax, in which CIA brothels were set up in san Francisco, their customers dosed with led by CIA-backed hookers. Field agent George hunter white observed reactions behind a two-way mirror.

May 10, 1993 188 Employees, most of them young women, burn to death in a doll factory in Bangkok, Thailand. Management had locked the doors, so the workers could keep making Bart Simpson dolls without any distractions.

May 10, 1994 300 Active-duty marines stationed at twenty-nine palms receive a 46-question, multiple-choice survey. Given a hypothetical situation, more than a quarter of respondents indicate their willingness to "fire upon u.s. citizens who refuse or resist confiscation of firearms banned by the u.s. government." (On a positive note, almost two-thirds recognize that the order is patently unconstitutional. of course, that was 9 years ago.)

Jun 16, 1976 15,000 Black South African schoolchildren march through the streets of Soweto to protest the adoption of bilingual instruction in the Afrikaans language. The march ends when police and soldiers open fire, killing 600 kids and setting off days of riots.

Jun 21, 1877 Ten Irish immigrants who were labour activists (also known as the molly Maguire’s) are hanged at carbon county prison in Pennsylvania. Judge john lavelle of carbon county later wrote, "the molly Maguire trials were a surrender of state sovereignty. A private corporation initiated the investigation through a private detective agency. A private police force arrested the alleged defenders, and private attorneys for the coal companies prosecuted them. The state provided only the courtroom and the gallows."

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Fascism: A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism. :mad:
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Re: Horrors of History Archive...

Postby jmfryar » Fri Jul 25, 2003 8:39 am

Well now, if you want to dwell on the negative, I can see your point...but aren't there a few positives along the way?
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Re: Horrors of History Archive...

Postby priya978 » Fri Jul 25, 2003 10:11 am

JM,
Your thinking like your sane. :D
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Re: Horrors of History Archive...

Postby jmfryar » Fri Jul 25, 2003 10:22 am

I now fully understand why I don't watch the news anymore...

bad bad things...no one wants to hear the good...

In all seriousness, someone once tried to start a newspaper reporting just good happenings and occurences...it didn't make it three months...

My fear is Schadenfreude - German for pleasure taken in the misery of others...people have created an entire industry based upon it and justify it by calling it News. People become outraged on their couches as they watch each night, pump their meaty fists in the air at the injustice of it all, take another hit/sip and switch the channel.

Most people are fully aware that there is evil out there in the world. I'm just not sure that it's worse that it's acknowledged and nothing is done about it...
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Re: Horrors of History Archive...

Postby lliam » Fri Jul 25, 2003 1:08 pm

Originally posted by jmfryar:
Well now, if you want to dwell on the negative, I can see your point...but aren't there a few positives along the way?
HORROR MOVIE CHARACTER SURVIVAL TIPS

1. If the house you're living in tells you to "GO AWAY", do so immediately.

2. Never take a bath or shower with an MSDC
(Maniac/spirit/demon/creature) in the house.

3. When it appears that you have killed the MSDC, DO NOT check to see
If he/she/it's really dead. Keep hacking at it until it is in pieces
Small enough not to be a threat to you. If you've shot at it, shoot it
Again in the head, and remember, shoot till it stops moving, and then
Keep shooting till you're out of ammo. Then reload and shoot it some
More. Then set it on fire and burn it up, this works with everything
Except demons and spirits. Then get the hell out of there.

5. If plumbing fixtures or other structures in your home begin
Spewing body fluids, it's time to move out.

6. Never read a book that summons demons aloud, even as a joke.

7. Don't look under the bed.

8. Do not search the basement, especially if the power has just gone out.

9. If tree's, TV's, or other objects try to consume your children,
Save as many as you can and then get the hell out of the area.

10. If relatives or pets come back from the dead, stay as far away
From them as possible.

11. If inanimate objects such as dolls, toys, or furniture attack you,
Be prudent and leave the area.

12. If you've hidden from the MSDC and you are not found, do not peek
From or leave your hiding place, if you do you will be seen and killed.

13. Never believe that your companion has truly become "dispossessed."

14. It is VERY, VERY dangerous to back into or through rooms.

15. If your children speak to you in Latin or any other language which
They do not know, or if they speak to you using a voice which is other
Than their own, shoot them immediately. It will save you a lot of
Grief in the long run, and NOTE: It will probably take several rounds
Of gunfire to incapacitate them, so be prepared.

16. When you have the benefit of numbers, "NEVER, EVER," pair off or
Go it alone. The more people the MSDC is distracted by, the better
"Your" chance of escape.

17. Never get into a car without first checking the back seat for occupants.

18. If demons begin possessing your companions, it's a good idea to
Leave the area as soon and as quickly as possible.

19. If your companions start turning up dead, make yourself scarce
Before someone else does it for you. Worry about funerals later.

20. If you've just finished running over the MSDC in your car, keep
Going. Most certainly DO NOT get out of the car under any
Circumstances to see if he/she/it's really dead.

21. As a general rule, don't solve puzzles that open portals to Hell.

22. Don't fall asleep if you have a history of homicidal/suicidal nightmares.

23. Never stand in, on, above, below, beside, or near a grave, tomb,
Crypt, mausoleum, etc.

24. Never stand in, on, above, below, beside or near a window,
Especially those that appear that they would break easily.

25. If you find something that appears to be alive that you cannot
Identify, don't pick it up or touch it, with anything.

26. If you're searching for something, which caused a noise and find
Out that it's just the cat, LEAVE THE ROOM IMMEDIATELY OR ELSE YOU WILL
QUICKLY DIE.

27. If someone is in the water and starts screaming and is pulled
Under, DON'T GO AFTER THEM, AND DON'T GO OVER TO THE SHORE AND LOOK IN!
If you are in a boat, immediately head for shore.

28. If appliances start operating by themselves, leave the area immediately.

29. Do not take anything from the dead.

30. If priests won't or can't enter your home, start looking for a new home.

31. If the place you are visiting is known for its history of mass
Murders, deaths, freak accidents, or supernatural occurrences, leave.

32. If you wake up from a particularly horrific dream and find
Yourself still alive, you probably aren't awake yet.

33. If you find a town which looks deserted, it's probably for a
Reason. Take the hint and stay away.

34. Don't play with Ouija boards. If you do and the ouija board
Starts moving by itself, stop playing and leave immediately.

35. If supernatural beings start calling your name, leave the area
Immediately.

36. Never pick up a hitchhiker or stop to aid a suspicious person,
Especially if he/she/it resembles Santa Claus.

37. Don't fool with recombinant DNA technology unless you're sure you
Know what you are doing.

38. Make sure that your weapon is loaded before you try to use it.

39 If your space ship gets an alien distress signal from what appears
To be a dead planet, don't stop to check it out.

40. Never put your back to or lean on a door.

41. Never take the dare to spend a night in a haunted house.

42. Never speak to clowns in sewers.

43. Never accept gifts from strangers, especially if you suspect that
They are supernatural beings.

44. If you're running from the MSDC, expect to trip and/or fall down
At least twice, more if you are of the female persuasion. Do not turn
To look back, if you do, you stand a good chance of tripping
Immediately and being killed. If you turn and look back, and you don't
See the MSDC chasing you, stop and run immediately back the way you
Came because the MSDC is now in front of you.

45. If your companions exhibit uncharacteristic behaviour such as
Hissing, biting, thirst for blood, howling, glowing eyes, unnatural
Hairiness, marked resemblance to demons, excretion of ectoplasm or
Other forms of gelatinous goo, flaming appendages, extra appendages,
Etc., get as far away from them as possible.

46. Listen closely to the soundtrack for hints on what is going on
Around you. Use all resources available, especially the audience, for
On the average, they are much, much more intelligent than you could
Ever hope to be.

47. Stay away from certain geographical locations, some of which are
Listed here: Amityville, Elm Street, Crystal Lake, Transylvania, Nilbog
(God help you if you recognize this one), Mydian, Questa Verde, the
Bermuda Triangle, or any small town in Maine.

48. Beware of transvestite doctors that sing.

49. Avoid secluded mountain resorts, especially those that keep
'Redrum' in stock.

50. Finally, beware of strangers bearing tools of destruction such as
chainsaws, staple guns, chipper/shredders, weed poppers, combines,
lawnmowers, knives, soldering irons, stun guns, flamethrowers, band
saws, crossbows, napalm, grenades, catapults, tactical warheads,
High-powered rifles, gophers, food processors, gophers in food
processors, lambchops, axes, gophers wielding axes, laser pistols,
Tanks, any weapon resembling Margaret Thatcher, or Allodium q-36
Explosive space modulators.

51. If you're going to shoot something, in the immortal words of
Robert Ruark - African big game hunter, "USE ENOUGH GUN," or
Preferably a chain gun.

52. If entering your craft you put your hand in a kind of
Sticky/slimy/resinous kind of substance that was not there before, turn
And run immediately or you will be killed.

53. If you are in the Arctic and find an alien frozen in ice, don't
Touch it, don't thaw it out, leave it alone. The alien should be
Incinerated with thermite (or preferably a thermonuclear weapon),
Otherwise if it thaws out, it will kill you and every living thing on earth.

54. If you are alone in a house and something calls your name, leave
The house immediately through whatever exit is in the opposite
Direction. If there is no exit, make one. :D
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Re: Horrors of History Archive...

Postby jmfryar » Fri Jul 25, 2003 1:18 pm

I went to a writers conference in Baton Rougeg once and a guy who optioned screenplays led a round-table discussion. He had just finished his first novel (science fiction) and was working on a second (horror) that he wanted to turn into a screenplay because it was "the easiest type of screenplay to write."

I loved his first novel and the second really did scare the hell out of me (still does, it was absolutely original for it's time...) but I always wondered what happened to the screenplay...

And then John Carpenter got ahold of it and turned it into a dreadful, dreadful mess with James Woods as the lead character. What started out as a truly original gut wrenching story turned into a typical mess...

Sigh...

Would be nice to see a good, original scarier-than-hell movie...I laughed through most of The Ring...am I just jaded?

And no, Freddie v. Jason is not gonna do it...
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Re: Horrors of History Archive...

Postby Serenity » Fri Jul 25, 2003 1:19 pm

Ahhhh...lliam...54 tidbits of sound advice! Any music to go with those?
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Re: Horrors of History Archive...

Postby jmfryar » Fri Jul 25, 2003 1:20 pm

Originally posted by lliam:

46. Listen closely to the soundtrack for hints on what is going on
Around you. Use all resources available, especially the audience, for
On the average, they are much, much more intelligent than you could
Ever hope to be.

47. Stay away from certain geographical locations, some of which are
Listed here: Amityville, Elm Street, Crystal Lake, Transylvania, Nilbog
(God help you if you recognize this one), Mydian, Questa Verde, the
Bermuda Triangle, or any small town in Maine.

Music is always the key...
and Crystal Lake is in Sharon, CT...
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Re: Horrors of History Archive...

Postby Serenity » Fri Jul 25, 2003 1:30 pm

Does Crystal Lake get a lot of visitors because of the movie?
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Re: Horrors of History Archive...

Postby jmfryar » Fri Jul 25, 2003 1:52 pm

Not that I'm aware of...maybe just after the first couple came out...but it's up in the middle of nowhere...not easily accessible, not a lot of people know that little fact and the last time I was up there it's not in the greatest shape...it looks like a summer camp basically.

There's an abandoned town in the state that's MUCH spookier...but this isn't the stuff that transfers to film easily, unfortunately.
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Re: Horrors of History Archive...

Postby BenODen » Fri Jul 25, 2003 2:07 pm

Originally posted by lliam:

5. If plumbing fixtures or other structures in your home begin
Spewing body fluids, it's time to move out.

7. Don't look under the bed.

8. Do not search the basement, especially if the power has just gone out.

17. Never get into a car without first checking the back seat for occupants.

33. If you find a town which looks deserted, it's probably for a
Reason. Take the hint and stay away.

In moments where I'm already a bit freaked out, the ones I quoted above have some traction with me. It doesn't even take much beforehand to get me thinking about #17 or #8 when the basement is filled to the hilt with shadows. I mean really, how much trouble is it to MAKE SURE your backseat is empty? Better safe than sorry, eh?

On the other hand, I think I've watched too much moving picture. :D

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Re: Horrors of History Archive...

Postby jmfryar » Fri Jul 25, 2003 3:06 pm

welll...when the plumbing fixtures start spewing bodily fluids there may be a lot more than just a possibility of demonic influence to drive you out of the home. I suppose the odor alone might do it...

I've never understood not looking under the bed, unless it was fear of dust bunnies...has there ever been a film (other than King's Pet Cemetary) where someone or something has been under the bed? Usually that's where the hero/ine (or future victim) goes to hide...

Dark basements I see, but they usually provide great and endless amusement for shocking folks who have to wander down into them...it's even better if you hang something from a rafter so when the throw the breaker back on and turn around...or their flashlight just catches it...he he he

have a friend actually crouch in the back seat of your car - unless it's an older land yacht or an SUV (or SHiP's as I call them), then you should have NO problem spotting them. If you drive a SHiP, you just might deserve it...

The last one I'll agree with whole-heartedly...unless you managed to fake out the military surrounding the town because you know that there's good pickings...
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Re: Horrors of History Archive...

Postby BenODen » Fri Jul 25, 2003 4:00 pm

I think the look under the bed is a holdover from fears of our youth. To me, it's not surprising that it's so durable a fear. There's a juxtiposition between that place under the bed where hard to be fully sure what's there (especially since it gathers everything that once populated the floor) and that warm cosy place that's just on the other side.

My bed has walls that come down to the floor with a thud at midnight, just to be sure. :D Actually no, but that would make a good bit in a movie. Just that would make it instantly PG-13 for nightmare fodder. :p

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Re: Horrors of History Archive...

Postby jmfryar » Fri Jul 25, 2003 4:51 pm

you could always put it on a frame like they have in hotels...

Of course, that's where people keep hiding the bodies that they find in hotels...

mha-ha-ha-ha-ha...

no, actually, seriously, people hide bodies there...if your room has a peculiar odor, that's the first place you should look for the source...under the bed...
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Re: Horrors of History Archive...

Postby BenODen » Fri Jul 25, 2003 6:49 pm

Eeeeeew. How revolting. Thanks! :roll:

I'm mostly just fine with looking under my bed, but after a big ole horror movie, the age old concern seeps out.

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Re: Horrors of History Archive...

Postby priya978 » Sat Jul 26, 2003 12:07 am

I found the Ring A LOT less than suspenseful (not even scary.)

I lOVE those Illiam. Those are what ALL horror movies are made out of and it's so stupid.
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Re: Horrors of History Archive...

Postby Serenity » Sat Jul 26, 2003 2:01 pm

Lliam, help, what do I do if I see dead people?
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Re: Horrors of History Archive...

Postby Selma in Sandy Eggo » Sat Jul 26, 2003 9:40 pm

I'm mostly just fine with looking under my bed, but after a big ole horror movie, the age old concern seeps out.
Try spraying with Lysol. Lysol disperses ghosts, sanitizes the recently slain, repels monsters, and closes hyperspatial anomalies.

what do I do if I see dead people?
Spray them down with Lysol, and offer them a nice cold hyperspatial anomaly until morning.

We sprayed into closets to prevent monsters, sprayed under beds to repel monsters, sprayed the window screens to prevent ghosts, sprayed the TV to repel poltergeists, sprayed into the toybox to subdue enthusiastic Transformers, and so forth.

I suppose room deodorizer would work, too. Or even that Febreze stuff that they have now.

When demonstering closets, I always gave the sneakers a really good demonstering! Seems to have worked OK, no kids eaten. Ever
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Re: Horrors of History Archive...

Postby lliam » Sun Jul 27, 2003 9:33 am

There you go Serenity.
Selma >^..^< answered your question.
Lliam. :cool:
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Re: Horrors of History Archive...

Postby Serenity » Sun Jul 27, 2003 12:12 pm

Fear is that little darkrrom where negatives are developed.
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