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Where do you think?

Postby lliam » Mon Dec 15, 2003 11:59 am

Where do you think Saddam should face trial?


Iraq

America

Somewhere neutral
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Re: Where do you think?

Postby Selma in Sandy Eggo » Mon Dec 15, 2003 12:37 pm

Manhattan. There's a large fairly open site available, plenty of room for the cameras.

Penalty phase could be done in the Pentagon courtyard.

Of course, the Iraqi population could feel that they have first call on the fella. But, possession being nine-tenths of the law, well, we'll see.

I don't think there is any neutral site anywhere in the world. How could anybody be truly without any preconceived opinion about the whole middle-east/terrorism/etc. issue?
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Re: Where do you think?

Postby Shapley » Mon Dec 15, 2003 1:02 pm

There was a spot on the news, I believe it was CNN (I saw it as I was in the electronics section at a local retail store) which explained that many Iraqis still supported Saddam and preferred him to the newly-installed coalition government.

From what I could gather, they basically said that yes, he was a ruthless dictator, and he may have gassed some people and commited genocide and invaded neighboring Kuwait, and built massive palaces while his people starved, but the educational system was much improved and he had done much to improve the infrastructure.

I believe the trains ran on time, too.
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Re: Where do you think?

Postby EJA » Mon Dec 15, 2003 2:40 pm

Yeah, I'd like Manhattan, but Baghdad would be fine, too. I think the penalty should be a well-prolonged trip through one of the plastic shredders that Saddam used on his prisoners. It should be world-televised and Bush and Blair—Blair would do an especially good job of this—should deliver "You're next" speeches before and after. It should be a very sober affair—no gloating, no celebrating; just the ineluctable execution of justice conveying an indubitable message to terrorists and brutal dictators worldwide. It should be done in such a way as to make Castro, Khadaffi, and Osama wet their pants.
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Re: Where do you think?

Postby treebeau » Mon Dec 15, 2003 2:47 pm

Hell?
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Re: Where do you think?

Postby OperaTenor » Mon Dec 15, 2003 5:11 pm

I'm not so sure about all of that, but I wanna know what they're gonna do about the shaved ape baby he and Osama adopted.........oops.........been reading the Weekly World News again. :o :D ;)
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Re: Where do you think?

Postby dai bread » Mon Dec 15, 2003 11:47 pm

I hope nobody is going to be so foolish as to try ANY Iraqi criminals in the U.S. Goodness me, the U.S. gets enough bad publicity as it is. Can you imagine the headlines in the Arab press? The wider Islamic press, even?

There are plenty of Iraqis who support Saddam. There are also plenty who would like to treat him to something; perhaps involving boiling oil.

A trial in Iraq would be very interesting indeed.
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Re: Where do you think?

Postby bignaf » Tue Dec 16, 2003 12:13 am

Originally posted by EJA:
It should be done in such a way as to make Castro, Khadaffi, and Osama wet their pants.
what's wrong with Castro?
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Re: Where do you think?

Postby lliam » Tue Dec 16, 2003 11:12 am

quote] Shapely ]I believe the trains ran on time, too.
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They also ran on time in Italy, when Mussolini was their Dictator.
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Re: Where do you think?

Postby Shapley » Tue Dec 16, 2003 11:32 am

Illiam,

Re: Italy. That what I was referencing. I just forget to put the little smiley faces on my posts.

What I was trying to point out that people will turn a blind eye to a lot of evil, as long there's a chicken in every pot and a car in every garage.

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Re: Where do you think?

Postby OperaTenor » Tue Dec 16, 2003 12:13 pm

Haven't international criminals been tried in the Hague in the past?

Isn't anyone else concerned about what's going to become of the shaved ape baby? Sheesh, where's your compassion? :p
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Re: Where do you think?

Postby lliam » Tue Dec 16, 2003 12:20 pm

'HAPPY BIRTHDAY' Ludwig.
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Re: Where do you think?

Postby Selma in Sandy Eggo » Tue Dec 16, 2003 12:28 pm

Originally posted by operatenor:
Isn't anyone else concerned about what's going to become of the shaved ape baby?
I'm guessing that the shaved ape baby has probably run away from home already, and established a more pleasing residence in a date palm. Way better than a hole in the ground, like a gopher.

But, whether I've guessed right or not, no, nobody else is very concerned. If the ape baby ever reappears in the public eye, I'd be inclined to send him to Neverland. He can be in charge of the orchards...
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Re: Where do you think?

Postby piqaboo » Tue Dec 16, 2003 1:28 pm

originally posted by Selma If the ape baby ever reappears in the public eye, I'd be inclined to send him to Neverland. He can be in charge of the orchards...
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Re: Where do you think?

Postby haggis » Tue Dec 16, 2003 4:14 pm

<img src="http://bojack.org/images/saddamshop2.jpg" alt=" - " />

I read on the web that,
"The $ 750,000 he got caught with would just about be enough to pay for 4 field level box seats. Enrique Wilson's salary for 2004 is also coincidentally $ 750,000.

I figured this loser to be a Cub fan. You know, lose a close playoff game, put the big load on and sleep in a hole.
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Re: Where do you think?

Postby bignaf » Tue Dec 16, 2003 11:07 pm

heheheheh
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Re: Where do you think?

Postby EJA » Wed Dec 17, 2003 2:16 pm

Originally posted by bignaf:
what's wrong with Castro?
Just another little pimple of a brutal dictator who has taken opportunity to jam his thumb in our eye when he perceived that we weren't in a position to eviscerate him.
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Re: Where do you think?

Postby lliam » Wed Dec 17, 2003 2:48 pm

Originally posted by Shapley:
Illiam,

Re: Italy. That what I was referencing. I just forget to put the little smiley faces on my posts.

What I was trying to point out that people will turn a blind eye to a lot of evil, as long there's a chicken in every pot and a car in every garage.

V/R
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Oh so sad but, oh so true Shapley.
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Re: Where do you think?

Postby haggis » Wed Dec 17, 2003 5:09 pm

"A meme is rapidly emerging -- the meme that Iraqis judging Iraqis is a thing lacking "legitimacy."

It's closely related to the meme that Arabs and Muslims cannot handle liberal, secular democracy; ………

……….It's a meme meant to snatch the judgment of Saddam Hussein from his victims and hand it over to those same institutions whose counsel would have left him in power today. It's a disgusting, vile meme,"
I think that sums up my philosophy. Next to the Iraqis, the Iranians and Kuwaiti have the most legitimate claim on the man.

I don’t recall any of the same hyperbole when South Africa tried previous Apartheid members for mass murder.

Why should a newly freed South Africa have any more legitimacy in handling its murderers, thugs and former head of state than a newly freed Iraq?
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Re: Where do you think?

Postby Selma in Sandy Eggo » Wed Dec 17, 2003 5:50 pm

Originally posted by Haggis:
Why should a newly freed South Africa have any more legitimacy in handling its murderers, thugs and former head of state than a newly freed Iraq?
Perhaps because they did the internal-revolution thing and caught their own murderers, thugs, and former head of state? Whereas the Iraqi governmental overhaul is being forcibly imposed by an external entity. (That would be us. This is not criticism; I'm in favor of the overhaul.) The cases are different.
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