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Re: Can JK beat GB?

Postby Serenity » Thu Oct 21, 2004 11:14 pm

Thank you Analog. Let's continue this topic under the Fix Your Job thread. I have a link to share.
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Re: Can JK beat GB?

Postby OperaTenor » Fri Oct 22, 2004 1:31 am

Hi Analog, good to hear from you again!
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Re: Can JK beat GB?

Postby Serenity » Fri Oct 22, 2004 3:46 pm

I think I'm gonna change my mind before election day. I'm not voting for either candidate. Since I live in MA, Kerry will carry the state anyway. I'm voting for less government in my life! They just muck things up to the nth degree anyway. No matter who wins, I can say "I didn't vote for that guy."
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Re: Can JK beat GB?

Postby Selma in Sandy Eggo » Fri Oct 22, 2004 3:53 pm

So, Serenity, are you inclining toward Wyle E. Coyote, Yosemite Sam, or the Aragorn/Gandalf slate?

And don't answer if you're posting from work, sign off immediately.
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Re: Can JK beat GB?

Postby Serenity » Fri Oct 22, 2004 4:00 pm

How about Squidward Tentacles for President and Patrick Star for VP?
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Re: Can JK beat GB?

Postby OperaTenor » Sat Oct 23, 2004 1:23 am

Hi Serenity, you really like SpongeBob, don't you?
I've already gone out and picked up the entire first season on DVD so I can properly indoctrinate Altoid on quality cartoons.
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Re: Can JK beat GB?

Postby NudewigVonB » Sat Oct 23, 2004 7:14 am

More thoughts from a thinking Republican, Marlow W. Cook, formerly of Louisville KY, who was Jefferson County judge from 1962-1968 and U.S. senator from Kentucky from 1968-1975, who "is voting for Kerry"


Date: Thursday, October 21 @ 10:27:35 EDT
Topic: Election 2004

'Frightened to death' of Bush

By Marlow W. Cook, Louisville Courier-Journal

I shall cast my vote for John Kerry come Nov 2.

I have been, and will continue to be, a Republican. But when we as a party
send the wrong person to the White House, then it is our responsibility to
send him home if our nation suffers as a result of his actions. I fall in
the category of good conservative thinkers, like George F. Will, for
instance, who wrote: "This administration cannot be trusted to govern if it
cannot be counted on to think and having thought, to have second thoughts."

I say, well done George Will, or, even better, from the mouth of the numero
uno of conservatives, William F. Buckley Jr.: "If I knew then what I know
now about what kind of situation we would be in, I would have opposed the
war."

First, let's talk about George Bush's moral standards.

In 2000, to defeat Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz. — a man who was shot down in
Vietnam and imprisoned for over five years — they used Carl Rove's "East
Texas special." They started the rumor that he was gay, saying he had spent
too much time in the Hanoi Hilton. They said he was crazy. They said his
wife was on drugs. Then, to top it off, they spread pictures of his adopted
daughter, who was born in Bangladesh and thus dark skinned, to the sons and daughters of the Confederacy in rural South Carolina.

To show he was not just picking on Republicans, he went after Sen. Max
Cleland from Georgia, a Democrat seeking re-election. Bush henchmen said he wasn't patriotic because Cleland did not agree 100 percent on how to handle homeland security. They published his picture along with Cuba's Castro, questioning Cleland's patriotism and commitment to America's security. Never mind that his Republican challenger was a Vietnam deferment case and Cleland, who had served in Vietnam, came home in a wheel chair having lost three limbs fighting for his country. Anyone who wants to win an election and control of the legislative body that badly has no moral character at all.

We know his father got him in the Texas Air National Guard so he would not
have to go to Vietnam. The religious right can have him with those moral
standards. We also have Vice President Dick Cheney, who deferred his way out of Vietnam because, as he says, he "had more important things to do."

I have just turned 78. During my lifetime, we have sent 31,377,741 Americans to war, not including whatever will be the final figures for the Iraq
fiasco. Of those, 502,722 died and 928,980 came home without legs, arms or what have you.

Those wars were to defend freedom throughout the free world from communism, dictators and tyrants. Now Americans are the aggressors — we start the wars, we blow up all the infrastructure in those countries, and then turn around and spend tax dollars denying our nation an excellent education system, medical and drug programs, and the list goes on. ...

I hope you all have noticed the Bush administration's style in the campaign
so far. All negative, trashing Sen. John Kerry, Sen. John Edwards and
Democrats in general. Not once have they said what they have done right,
what they have done wrong or what they have not done at all.

Lyndon Johnson said America could have guns and butter at the same time.
This administration says you can have guns, butter and no taxes at the same time. God help us if we are not smart enough to know that is wrong, and we live by it to our peril. We in this nation have a serious problem. Its
almost worse than terrorism: We are broke. Our government is borrowing a
billion dollars a day. They are now borrowing from the government pension
program, for apparently they have gotten as much out of the Social Security
Trust as it can take. Our House and Senate announce weekly grants for every kind of favorite local programs to save legislative seats, and it's all
borrowed money.

If you listened to the President confirming the value of our war with Iraq,
you heard him say, "If no weapons of mass destruction were found, at least
we know we have stopped his future distribution of same to terrorists." If
that is his justification, then, if he is re-elected our next war will be
against Iran and at the same time North Korea, for indeed they have weapons of mass destruction, nuclear weapons, which they have readily admitted.Those wars will require a draft of men and women. ...

I am not enamored with John Kerry, but I am frightened to death of George
Bush. I fear a secret government. I abhor a government that refuses to
supply the Congress with requested information. I am against a government
that refuses to tell the country with whom the leaders of our country sat
down and determined our energy policy, and to prove how much they want to keep that secret, they took it all the way to the Supreme Court.

Those of you who are fiscal conservatives and abhor our staggering debt,
tell your conservative friends, "Vote for Kerry," because without Bush to
control the Congress, the first thing lawmakers will demand Kerry do is
balance the budget.

The wonderful thing about this country is its gift of citizenship, then it's
freedom to register as one sees fit. For me, as a Republican, I feel that
when my party gives me a dangerous leader who flouts the truth, takes the
country into an undeclared war and then adds a war on terrorism to it
without debate by the Congress, we have a duty to rid ourselves of those who are taking our country on a perilous ride in the wrong direction.

If we are indeed the party of Lincoln (I paraphrase his words), a president
who deems to have the right to declare war at will without the consent of
the Congress is a president who far exceeds his power under our
Constitution.

I will take John Kerry for four years to put our country on the right path.

VOTE THE MORON OUT!!!
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Re: Can JK beat GB?

Postby Serenity » Sat Oct 23, 2004 8:12 am

Nice post NvB! The only thing deters me from jumping on your bandwagon is visual. You see, as I read your posts, I get this nagging image of Beethoven writing these posts furiously at his desk completely naked :eek: And then, he stands up and begins talking and walking toward me. I end up running out of the room, slamming the door shut and locking the door still listening to the ranting though.......
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Re: Can JK beat GB?

Postby OperaTenor » Sat Oct 23, 2004 10:46 am

Serenity,

FOAMCROTCHFLAMEO!

Was that the older Beethoven you envisioned?

The article makes a good point: Future war with N. Korea and Iran simultaneously is a virtual certainty if we re-elect GWB, and would necessitate the draft.
But, most importantly, what will China do if we cross the 38th parallel again? You know, China, the fifth largest nuclear weapon stockpile communist country? Within the scope of possible outcomes, how about a whole new cold war?

Have a nice weekend.

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Re: Can JK beat GB?

Postby shostakovich » Sun Oct 24, 2004 11:52 am

Nice post NvB! The only thing deters me from jumping on your bandwagon is visual. You see, as I read your posts, I get this nagging image of Beethoven writing these posts furiously at his desk completely naked And then, he stands up and begins talking and walking toward me. I end up running out of the room, slamming the door shut and locking the door still listening to the ranting though.......

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Re: Can JK beat GB?

Postby OperaTenor » Mon Oct 25, 2004 1:19 pm

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Re: Can JK beat GB?

Postby OperaTenor » Mon Oct 25, 2004 3:22 pm

Originally posted by Haggis:


btw, I won’t call anyone “stupid,” ”Nazi” or “moron” or any other similar name this year either.
Hi Haggis, you only slipped once when you called NvB a "dork". ;)

I went back and read through most of the pertinent threads(only a little to Piq's chagrin....I think), and while we did some name-calling, we didn't do nearly as much as I originally feared. This is how our presidential candidates fared. I looked for names only, and not characterizations, and only names we as posters used, not any from quotes, articles etc.

Kerry:

Goldwater
Liar
War criminal
Tweedledumber
John Scary
John Skerry


Bush:

W
Ignoramus
Doofus
Moron
Bushman
Liar
War Criminal
Emperor
Al-Zarqawi W. Bin Laden
Tweedledumb
King George
Shrub
George Mush
Bumblehead
Dubya
Little man
Cowboy
George W. corporate-responsibility Bush
George W. thou-shalt-not-but-no-stay-of-execution-anyway Bush
George W. we'll-hunt-them-down-root-them-out-I'm-not-concerned-about-him-which-way-to-Iraq Bush
George "W" For Profit * Damn the Environment * Bush


GWB got called names 3 times as much as Kerry, so I guess shame on us Bush-haters.

Still not bad for close to 30 pages of posts.
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Re: Can JK beat GB?

Postby mmichaelson » Mon Oct 25, 2004 3:44 pm

You do have a point.

I think we try to keep the civility at a decent level and that we try to value each other's opinions, even when we don't agree.

Just don't you *am* yankees say anything about us southerners!!!
J/K!!!!

It was a joke, a joke!!

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Re: Can JK beat GB?

Postby OperaTenor » Mon Oct 25, 2004 3:50 pm

Originally posted by Saxy Buff:


Just don't you *am* yankees say anything about us southerners!!!
J/K!!!!
John/Kerry?!!!

:D
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Re: Can JK beat GB?

Postby RC » Mon Oct 25, 2004 3:54 pm

People I've unabashadley bashed on BBB (that I remember):

Celine Dion, just today
Arnold Schwarzenegger (sp? sorry), only a little tiny bit
George W.: I recognize at least 3 :D

Do you suppose these people read this board?
Celine and Aaaanold, if you're out there, my sincerest apologies, how rude of me.

George W., if you're out there,...call me, lets talk...
A man is the sum of his actions, of what he has done, of what he can do, Nothing else.
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Re: Can JK beat GB?

Postby mmichaelson » Mon Oct 25, 2004 3:58 pm

Hee-hee.

Good luck with that chat RC!
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Re: Can JK beat GB?

Postby barfle » Mon Oct 25, 2004 4:57 pm

OT, are you sure you haven't swapped Tweedledumb and Tweedledumber?
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Re: Can JK beat GB?

Postby OperaTenor » Mon Oct 25, 2004 5:21 pm

Hi Barfle, since you always listed Tweedledumb first, I assumed you referred to the President, since etiquette would put him first.

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Re: Can JK beat GB?

Postby piqaboo » Mon Oct 25, 2004 8:29 pm

Originally posted by Saxy Buff:
You do have a point.

I think we try to keep the civility at a decent level and that we try to value each other's opinions, even when we don't agree.

Just don't you *am* yankees say anything about us southerners!!!
J/K!!!!

It was a joke, a joke!!

:)
There's no need to say anything at all. Its self evident. :p


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Re: Can JK beat GB?

Postby shostakovich » Mon Oct 25, 2004 9:04 pm

In the interest of being fair and balanced, I think Kerry should be elected for 2 more reasons:
1) Cartoonists would have new material to work with for the next 4 years. The goofy W caricatures are getting stale. Besides, they look like Ross Perot cartoons.
2) The media, which have been accused of left bias, but are actually taking shots at whomever is in power, would be accused of right bias instead.
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