Why Not Bush

[Serenity]

Get ready for the election with some T-shirts, bumper stickers and collector's items!

http://www.cafepress.com/burnbush

[OperaTenor]

I checked out Serenity's link above, got a couple of chuckles, and started to wonder what the right-wingers were doing to counter this kind of stuff. I found this: Right Wing Stuff, which featured images such as this:
<img src="http://www.operatenor.100megs24.com/oil.gif" alt=" - " />

Anyone care to 'splain the reasoning behind this?

[OperaTenor]

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Originally posted by OperaTenor:
I checked out Serenity's link above, got a couple of chuckles, and started to wonder what the right-wingers were doing to counter this kind of stuff. I found this: Right Wing Stuff, which featured images such as this:
<img src="http://www.operatenor.100megs24.com/oil.gif" alt=" - " />

Anyone care to 'splain the reasoning behind this?

Since no one chose to enlighten me, I guess I'll just take it that there's an element of Republicans out there who still believe in Manifest Destiny. (I only say Republicans because they themselves claim to be the "right wing".)

There are some pretty strong statements about Islam in general on that site as well. IMO, it's like saying all Christians are Branch Davidians or followers of whatever crap Jim Jones was espousing.

[RC]

Living in a battle ground state, I get to see all the candidates ads right up to the end (even though a good chunk of us have already voted).

What I find interesting is that the Kerry ads hammer Bush directly, the Bush ads hammer "John Kerry and his liberal allies", the "liberals", and the "liberal democrats".

The Bush ads are lambasting a very broad group of people with a very general viewpoint.
I have not seen a single Kerry or DNC sponsored ad that does the same, i.e., not one "conservative" bashing or "republican" bashing ad.

To me this speaks volumes.

How so many people could still feel the need to belong to such a narrow clique after graduating high school is beyond me.

[GreatCarouser]

Remember, many people are voting for Bush because they fear the way the Democrats will act/react towards the terrorists. The pollsters talk about 'the soccer moms' being a crucial swing vote and their fears for the safety of their families so it's logical for the Bush team to play up those fears. As Haggis has pointed out before on these pages many folks see Bush as a 'known quantity'when it comes to the way he'll respond to terrorist acts. Despite the mounting evidence that Bush and his team (I won't go into the way previous Republican administrations have kowtowed to terrorists here, if you're interested PM me and I'll send you some sources.) both ignored and bungled this operation both pre and post 9/11 many folks who might vote either way may just perceive W as their 'rock' in these troubled times.

Don't kid yourselves, this election will be won or lost on National Security. Everything else, even the lousy economy is secondary to that.

I watched much of a marvelous documentary about Bush and the Religious Right on Sunday on the Sundance channel. It focused on interviews with friends of the President from his pre-Governor days in Midland Tx., fundamentalist leaders (Falwell, Robertson etc.) and went a long ways toward explaining his 'charismatic aura' (which I've never been able to understand.). The documentary also examined the rise of the Religious Right as a political force in this country. I can't remember the exact name of the film but 'Bush' and 'God" are both in the title. I know that many posters on this board may feel that if I recommend something it must be strident and attacking in tone but I believe if you take the time to see this you'll find that's not the case here......

Besides, I'm sure if it had been strident and attacking in tone I'd have remembered the exact name of the film!

[GreatCarouser]

Originally posted by RC:


How so many people could still feel the need to belong to such a narrow clique after graduating high school is beyond me.

Perhaps you're overestimating your survey group? (He said as he blatantly pandered to a stereotype in search of a cheap laugh.Ub. ED)


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[RC]

The pollsters talk about 'the soccer moms' being a crucial swing vote and their fears for the safety of their families so it's logical for the Bush team to play up those fears.

"Soccer Mom" here.
IMO I don't think you could understate the threat of terrorism, I really don't.

What scares me about these particular terrorists is the mob mentality they generate and use successfully to garner support and recruits.

They use fear to generate hatred toward whomever they see as a threat.

hmmmmm

P.S. cheap laugh: lol

[RC]

"The disposition of all power is to abuses, nor does it at all mend the matter that its possessors are a majority. Unrestrained political authority, though it be confided to masses, cannot be trusted without positive limitations, men in bodies being but an aggregation of the passions, weaknesses and interests of men as individuals."
James Fenimore Cooper

I like it.

[analog]

Amen to power and abuse, RC.
Lincoln, in address at the Lyceum January 1838:
"..Many great and good men sufficiently qualified for any task they should undertake, may ever be found, whose ambition would inspire to nothing beyond a seat in Congress, a gubernatorial or a presidential chair; but such belong not to the family of the lion, or the tribe of the eagle. What! think you these places would satisfy an Alexander, a Caesar, or a Napoleon?--Never! "

Mind you I am pretty conservative, but have been having my doubts about this "Project for a New American Century" think-tank bunch. They seem just a little too self-assured about what's good for the world. (google on PNAC saves typing) .

Then out of the blue,,,
Tonight's "Frontline" on PBS gave me shock and awe - did anyone else see it? Basically it painted Wolfowitz as a "Dr Strangelove" and Rumsfeld as "Gen Jack D Ripper". And it was quite believable.

Should be an interesting news day tomorrow.

[OperaTenor]

I've always felt Wolfie was the dangerous one in the administration. He has been the behind-the-scenes warmonger for at least three Republican Presidents now. What the blue blazes qualifies him to be in anyone's cabinet escapes me. How does he manage to avoid scrutiny most of the time?

[RC]

analog,

I saw it and thought it was great. Of course, since they're "preaching from my bible", I'm biased.

Also, regarding PNAC, this is just what I was trying to explain on the thread titled "The Unnecessary War", last page.

People will tell you to be calm, it's no big deal, we would never fall into that trap, our nation is too great to succumb to such abuse, and yet, here we go...

I'm telling you, I can predict the future. It's easy. Drink and drive, wreck your car. Re-elect Bush and his ilk over and over and you'll get a "unipolar world" and a king to run it.

Maybe it won't happen in the next four years. What will happen is a gradual slip and momentum.
What can stop it is a bunch of folks like us who still have the power and the will to put our collective foot (feet?, foots? :confused: ) down.

We ARE the last remaining superpower. That is a huge responsibility. I'd like to know that the power is protected in democracy; Held at arms length from the powerful few (Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, etc).

That's what I think about that...

[OperaTenor]

...feet.


Did you mention Wolfie for my sake?

[RC]

OT, Nope, Wolfie is a real wolf IMO. He's been on my list for a long time.

[analog]

Thanks, guys.

I wonder if wolfie & rumsfeld are the "couple of mistakes in appointments" to which W alluded in that debate.

Whichever way Tuesday goes i pray we never see another campaign so full of calumny, virulence, anger and lies. We the people owe one another better respect.


OT: i too scratched my head over that oil/soil button . It was a popular slogan at a lot of anti-war rallies, here's one link <http://jmd.us/photos/peace-rally/our-oil-their-soil.html>. So what's it doing in rightwing-stuff? I note they added the women - a veiled threat?

[GreatCarouser]

analog, which way do you think Arkansas will go?

[analog]

probably bush. Mighty conservative around here.

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[RC]

I listend to Guliani blame the troops for the missing weapons in Iraq on Good Morning America yesterday.

I also heard Bush say the same and then turn around in a stump speech and say that Kerry was "denigrating our troops" by bringing up the missing weapons.

ABC has video from an imbedded journalist which clearly shows the weapons were at Al Qaaqa when they came through on 4/18/2003 : Bloomberg
Just about all the top military brass warned Bush & Rumsfeld that it would take about three times as many troops than what they were planning to invade Iraq because they would need to manage the insurgents, guard weapons, and prevent civil chaos...

[mmichaelson]

if you go to Foxnews.com and then look in the white bar on the right under the latest headlines, you can view the video using RealPlayer.

[Marye]

It seems Aljazeera is reporting a video of Usama Bin Laden.


How does this play out politically.....?

[RC]

Marye,
I just read that about bin Laden. Eeek is right. Too bad we didn't nail the bastitch three years ago.
Hard to tell how it will play out. That's the second video in as many days.
You think the undecideds will go for Bush now?

If they do, he wins.