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Afghanistan a quagmire? Where did I say that?Originally posted by Haggis:
I recall cries of “quagmire” when we went into Afghanistan and that was over in less than 50 days (this is where Barf, despite all the evidence to the contrary, claims that Afghanistan is still a “quagmire”)
Weren't the VC (Viet Cong, aka "Charlie") fighting for North Vietnam and Ho Chi Minh? Why would North Vietnam want to eliminate them? Did you mean ARVN (Army of the Republic of Viet Nam)?Originally posted by Haggis:
And few guerilla attempts to directly confront their adversary succeed. Many of us forget that guerilla warfare in Vietnam ceased to be effective after the 1968 Tet offensive. An estimated 12-15,000 VC were killed then and the VC never regained their power. Many military historians suspect that elimination of the VC was one of the objectives of North Vietnam when they planned the Tet Offensive.
The term "duty" is a tough one. It implies an obligation, yet in order for it to be truly fulfilled, it also requires voluntary action. I was drafted in spite of my wishes, but I also felt a sense of duty (undoubtedly instilled in me by my WWII veteran father), so I didn't run off to Canada, or try to be a Conscientious Objector (which I would have had to lie about).My comments were directed at a military draft, but any attempt to instill a "sense of duty" or "patriotism" in the youth of our country that begins with the word "mandatory" is, in my estimation, flawed.
Yes, I suppose there's a certain level of pride that I met the challenge of military service and not only survived but succeeded, and that, as noted above, I did something that I considered my duty. There were many times it was distasteful, some times when it was disappointing, and a few times when it was downright terrifying. Haggis loved his job, and I think that's great. As I noted, I met several career people who I admired. When I use the term "good soldier," it's a compliment.I could be wrong though, I joined the USAF to avoid being drafted and found a job I loved and stayed and I'm fairly confident that Barfle is proud to say he's a veteran so maybe in hindsight mandatory expectation of service is good??
"Weren't the VC (Viet Cong, aka "Charlie") fighting for North Vietnam and Ho Chi Minh? Why would North Vietnam want to eliminate them?"
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