Will Europe Survive?

[Haggis@wk]

Hmmm. so to crosstie the threads, I guess Haggis needs to let the twins know not to use their phones too much. They have a duty to fulfill!

the discussion following this:

Heavy Cell Phone Use Linked To Sperm Problems.

I've traded my cell phone in for a lighter model...

Ah! the penny finally dropped (a phrase your parents will recall..... )

[Haggis@wk]

Muslim medics refuse to roll up their sleeves in hygiene crackdown - because it's against their religion

Health officials are having crisis talks with Muslim medical staff who object to new hygiene rules
Health officials are having crisis talks with Muslim medical staff who have objected to hospital hygiene rules because of religious beliefs.

Medics in hospitals in at least three major English cities have refused to follow the regulations aimed at helping tackle superbugs because of their faith, it has been revealed.

Women medical students at Alder Hey children's hospital in Liverpool objected to rolling up their sleeves when washing their hands and removing arm coverings in theatre, claiming it is regarded as immodest.

What strikes me as another sign of impending Sharia in the UK and Europe is the fact that the hospitals are looking for ways to "accommodate" them rather than just throwing them out of the schools.

[jamiebk]

If someone refuses to perform the duties of their job, then they are unfit for that job and should be terminated.

[Selma in Sandy Eggo]

I saw that news article, Haggis, and I'm appalled that there's any thought of accomodation of modesty, weighed against the necessity for asepsis in an OR. This is more than just a religious scruple: it's medical professionals wilfully endangering the life and health of patients. Utterly unacceptable.

And this is the same religious group that wants special feet-washing facilities? They won't scrub properly for surgery but they'll wash their feet in restrooms? Insanity.

[Haggis@wk]

Dozens of missing schoolchildren feared forced into arranged marriages

Dozens of children are missing from school amid fears they have been forced into arranged marriages, it was revealed yesterday.

In Bradford, 33 children remain "unaccounted for" after being off school for at least two months with no explanation.

The Government is also concerned about another 14 areas of the country where it is feared children under 16 could also be missing from school rolls.

Think the Govt. will take any action? probably not, they opnly take children away from their parents when an "expert" says the children might be at risk.


Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy (MSBP)

Diagnosing a mother as having MSBP is a tool often used by the state to remove children from the care of the parent, terminate parental rights or in the case of a child's death, charge the parent with murder. Now, due to a raging scandal in Britain, that diagnosis is being discredited.

According to British newspapers, over the last decade, thousands of British women who sought medical treatment for their children were in fact risking being diagnosed

with MSBP -- a diagnosis that could lead to the termination of parental rights but also to imprisonment. Perhaps as many as tens of thousands of children have been taken by the state from their parents on the basis of "expert" testimony that the parent had MSBP.

[Shapley]

Immigrants Pouring Into The Country To Do The Jobs The Locals Won't

Sounds familiar...

[piqaboo]

haggis, you may find yourself nodding in agreement with this fellow. I did.
Somehow, he managed a rant without quite ranting (slipped a bit there with the mosque location & size).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHh0NdR5Jh0

[Serenity]

Pat Condell is hillarious! His other videos are just as good. Pat Condell for president.

[Haggis@wk]

In 2006 Church of England officials contemplated giving Saint George the boot from his perch as Patron Saint of England because he was too offensive for modern day Muslims.

Now, British officials have cancelled an annual St. George's Day Parade in Bradford in fear that Muslims will riot.

The Daily Star reported:

A MARCH to celebrate St George’s Day has been axed – because the authorities fear it could spark race riots.

About 1,500 children were due to take part in a parade to commemorate the patron saint of England on Wednesday.

But council bosses in Bradford, West Yorks, have ditched the event over concerns it could upset the Asian community, many of them Muslim.

They feared a repeat of riots that hit the city in 2001, when an Asian man was stabbed by National Front supporters and 300 police were injured. Officials suggested making the route shorter to avoid areas where the riots took place.

England is relinquishing its heritage out of fear. It's a sad thing to watch a country commit suicide.

[Shapley]

Muslims call for replacing Greenwitch Mean Time with Mecca Time

[BigJon@Work]

One geologist argued that unlike other longitudes, Mecca's was in perfect alignment to magnetic north.

This is hilarious because magnetic north wanders around the globe. Are they sure this guy is a scientist?

But the movement is not without its critics, who say that the notion that modern science was revealed in the Koran confuses spiritual truth, which is constant, and empirical truth, which depends on the state of science at any given point in time.

This critic gets it.

[Haggis@wk]

This is hilarious because magnetic north wanders around the globe. Are they sure this guy is a scientist?

I doubt it. All modern Islamic "scientists" must subvert the science into Koranic translations. Go look at the Islamic Calendar to get an idea of the confusion caused by a calendar based on lunar sightings when it collides with the arithmetical Gregorian solar calendar.

When I was in Saudia Arabia for the first Gulf War I ran into educated Saudis who insist the world is flat (awkward belief for a pilot). I know the Koran doesn't exactly say the earth is flat but apparently Islamic scholars preach that it is and few Muslims are willing to dispute that claim.

A friend who was an American physician in Saudi Arabia reported that if he took blood for a test the Saudis would ask him to put back the blood he didn't use for the test. Here again, the Koran doesn't specifically address blood donation and, apparently, many Islamic scholars say it is all right, but some Saudis are taught by uneducated Clerics that it is not alright.

There seems to be a conscious, or possibly unconscious, effort on the part of Islamic scholars to avoid looking at any science that runs afoul of the Koran. Not that they necessarily agree with the Koran, they are just afraid to be seen in opposition of Muhammad’s writings. Bad things happen to Muslims that are seen to be in opposition of Islamic teaching.

I suspect that fear is one of the reason that so few books ever get translated into Arabic. I've posted here before that the UN Arab Human Development Report 2003 tells us more books are translated into Spanish in a single year than have been translated into Arabic in the last thousand years.

It's tough to be a scientist practicing the "scientific method" in the Islamic world.

[piqaboo]

Galileo among others can testify that tho its currently an Islamic problem, it hasnt always been so limited. Religion has its little ways.

[Shapley]

Galileo among others can testify that tho its currently an Islamic problem, it hasnt always been so limited. Religion has its little ways.

Are you sure? Get Galileo on the phone, I want to ask him about that....

I could add something about the 'religion' of environmentalism, but I'll save that for another thread...

[Haggis@wk]

Galileo among others can testify that tho its currently an Islamic problem, it hasnt always been so limited. Religion has its little ways.

Which is scarier, upward progress since Galileo's trial leading to the advent of the scientific method to what we consider modern day science or an Islamic culture of scholarship and discovery that began to decay after the Muslims were driven from Spain and reverted en masse back to the brutish 7th Century Islam that we see today?


Beginning in the 8th and 9th Centuries Muslims had made immense leaps forward in the area of Science. Cities like Baghdad, Damascus, Cairo and Cordoba were the centers of civilization. These cities were flourishing and Muslim scientists made tremendous progress in applied as well as theoretical Science and Technology while Europe cowered in the Dark Ages.

They gave us decimalized math and myrid other scientific break through.

Today they give us barbarism and terrorism.

[dai bread]

The joys of being priest-ridden.

We have separation of Church & State for very good and hard-fought reasons.

[Serenity]

I thought people came to this continent to practice their religion freely and avoid persecution. I thought separation of Church and State were granted in the Constitution. Two centuries later, I still see Religion permeate through our Government, complicating legislation on all sorts of issues (abortion, stem cell research, the Bible Belt, etc.). I see many similarities between Islam and Christianity!

[Shapley]

I thought separation of Church and State were granted in the Constitution.

No. That term does not appear in the Constitution. The Constitution guarantees seperation of Church and Federal government. Congress shall make no law.... Congress does not make State law, only Federal law. The individual States have their own constitutions regulating State laws...

I see many similarities between Islam and Christianity!

Both are monotheistic. Both honour the God of Abraham.

[Serenity]

Yeah, the western religions picture a punishing God that is like an angry father-figure, ready to dish out punishment for disobedience. Eastern religions are more of a "go-with-the-flow" type ( as I'm listening to Little Blue Flower -traditional Chinese music). I enjoy the "whatever you want to do " religions; the "point-the-finger-at-you" religions kind of stress me out.

[barfle]

I thought people came to this continent to practice their religion freely and avoid persecution.

Sometimes that meant establishing a colony where they were free to limit religion to the one they specified.

I thought separation of Church and State were granted in the Constitution.

They're forbidden to make a law respecting an establishment of religion.

Two centuries later, I still see Religion permeate through our Government, complicating legislation on all sorts of issues (abortion, stem cell research, the Bible Belt, etc.).

Many people feel they get their moral sense from their religion, so laws against theft and murder are put in place to limit those activities as much as possible. When it comes to the ten commandments, only two are actually against the law in most jurisdictions (theft and murder), and even those have exceptions. I don't know if any blue laws (regulating business practices on Sunday) are still enforced, but I remember there being some.

I see many similarities between Islam and Christianity!

There are similar teachings, but Islam is as exotic to me as Mars. And I work with a few Muslims.