Will Europe Survive?

[Haggis@wk]

Good point Shapley...


Submit or Die

” Many commentators have pointed out the apparent hypocrisy: Muslims are outraged by cartoons satirizing Islamic extremism while in Muslim countries Christianity and Judaism are attacked viciously and routinely.

Many commentators are missing the point: These protesters — and those who incite them — are not asking for mutual respect and equality. They are not saying: “It’s wrong to speak ill of a religion.” They are saying: “It’s wrong to speak ill of our religion.” They are not standing up for a principle. They are laying down the law. They are making it as clear as they can that they will not tolerate “infidels” criticizing Muslims. They also are making it clear that infidels should expect criticism — and much worse — from Muslims.

They are attempting nothing less than the establishment of a new world order in which the supremacy of what they call the Nation of Islam is acknowledged, and “unbelievers” submit — or die. Call it an offer you can’t refuse.

If you don’t understand this, listen harder. In London, Anjem Choudary — a Muslim Fascist if ever there was one — told demonstrators that Pope Benedict XVI deserves to be killed — for daring to quote a Byzantine emperor’s description of Islam as a religion “spread by the sword.”

“The Muslims take their religion very seriously,” Choudary explained as if to a disobedient child, “and non-Muslims must appreciate that and must also understand that there may be serious consequences if you insult Islam and the Prophet. Whoever insults the message of Mohammed is going to be subject to capital punishment.”

(Emphasis mine)
Can’t get much clearer than that but I suspect we will get another dithery round of Muslim apologists (Most notably the NYT) telling us we need to be sensitive…I’m tired of being sensitive and I suspect that I’m not alone. I also suspect that some tough language and actions are not that far away.

How a group, probably not numbering in the tens of millions, that lives in the poorest part of the world with a per capita income that makes Mexicans look like Donald Trump, with absolutely no military power can cow the rest of the world’s population absolutely astonishes me.

Note: Okay, maybe not China, I seem to recall that any religions, not just “the religion of peace” is taboo there and they seem to have a fairly harsh reaction to those groups who try to push religion.

[piqaboo]

I'll be looking for a mandarin immersion school for Altoid's elementary years. Most inconvenient, because the spanish immersion school is just down the street!

[Haggis@wk]

Muslims are waging civil war against us, claims police union

” Radical Muslims in France’s housing estates are waging an undeclared “intifada” against the police, with violent clashes injuring an average of 14 officers each day.

As the interior ministry said that nearly 2,500 officers had been wounded this year, a police union declared that its members were “in a state of civil war” with Muslims in the most depressed “banlieue” estates which are heavily populated by unemployed youths of north African origin.

It said the situation was so grave that it had asked the government to provide police with armoured cars to protect officers in the estates, which are becoming no-go zones.

The number of attacks has risen by a third in two years. Police representatives told the newspaper Le Figaro that the “taboo” of attacking officers on patrol has been broken. Instead, officers – especially those patrolling in pairs or small groups – faced attacks as soon as they tried to arrest locals.

Senior officers insisted that the problem was essentially criminal in nature, with crime bosses on the estates fighting back against tough tactics. The interior minister, Nicolas Sarkozy, who is also the leading centre-Right candidate for the presidency, has sent heavily equipped units into areas with orders to regain control from drug smuggling gangs and other organised crime rings. Such aggressive raids were “disrupting the underground economy in the estates”, one senior official told Le Figaro.
However, not all officers on the ground accept that essentially secular interpretation. Michel Thoomis, the secretary general of the hardline Action Police trade union, has written to Mr Sarkozy warning of an “intifada” on the estates and demanding that officers be given armoured cars in the most dangerous areas.

He said yesterday: “We are in a state of civil war, orchestrated by radical Islamists. This is not a question of urban violence any more, it is an intifada, with stones and Molotov cocktails. You no longer see two or three youths confronting police, you see whole tower blocks emptying into the streets to set their ‘comrades’ free when they are arrested.”

That this was ever anything other than radical Islamism clashing with Western values was ludicrous. And the shameful whitewashing applied by the liberal MSM last year when this began was wishful thinking.

It is not about a disaffected group demanding their share of the pie, it is a declaration of war by the Islamic radicals. They are not in France but in their own country, where the West promised they could retain their own cultural values and spread them. They are not part of French (or Dutch) society and they want France to keep out of their society. The violence in France is of the type one finds when one group wants to assert its authority and drive the others out of its territory.

Dyab Abou Jahjah, the leader of the Arab European League, rejects assimilation and demands segregated schools and self-governing, Arab-speaking ghettos.

“We reject integration when it leads to assimilation,”

Jahjah says:

“I don’t believe in a host country. We are at home here and whatever we consider our culture to be also belongs to our chosen country. I’m in my country, not the country of the [Westerners].”

I think we are seeing the beginning of the end for Europe, We, the U.S. need to understand that Western Europe has ceased to be a continent of more or less likeminded cousins on the other side of the Atlantic. Europe immigrants cannot be compared with immigrants in the U.S. (for the most part) It is possible to share the same culture with someone from a different race, but not with someone from a fundamentally different religion. The demographic data clearly show who is likely to win the impending European civil war. As in the Netherlands, where more people are currently moving out of the country than into it; I expect other European exodus in the near future.

[Shapley]

Haggis,

I think the link I posted on the al Qaeda/Salafist alliance ties in to this. The Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat has been fighting France for years, and promises to 'remain a thorn in France's side'.

V/R
Shapley

[Haggis@wk]

An example of responsible reporting from the new CNN-like French TV news agency.

” Thousands of Belgians were thrown into a panic by news that the Flemish half of the country had declared independence. A two-hour live television report on the break-up of the nation showed images of ecstatic Flemish nationalists waving flags on the streets and queues of French speakers heading for the “border”.

The panic turned to anger after RTBF, the French public broadcaster, admitted 40 minutes into the show that it was a hoax designed to dramatise tensions between Flanders, in the north, and French-speaking Wallonia, in the south.

Thousands of viewers called the station during the broadcast, some of them in tears over the “death of Belgium” and reports that the King had fled. ...

Fadila Laanan, the minister responsible for TV in Wallonia, forced the station to confess to the hoax after receiving an alarming number of phone calls and text messages during the programme.”

Right, good hoax. Report the beginning of a civil war as factual, breaking news; that’s always a good thing to do in a region where ethnic tensions already run high.

Ya gotta wonder

[Selma in Sandy Eggo]

For just a second, I thought it must be 1 April.
Didn't we have a similar panic the time they aired the Martian Invaders radio show? And there was the time a local Sandy Eggo radio station reported that the space shuttle was landing at Montgomery Field.

I guess if you're French, every day can be April Fool's.

[Haggis@wk]

Selma, You’re right, comparisons have already been made between this hoax and the Orson Welles broadcast of War of the Worlds, but there are two major differences.

First, Welles actually had a disclaimer to start the show; it was the people who tuned in late who freaked over the "invasion".

Secondly, it was an adaptation of a well-known piece of fiction by a band of radio performers who regularly did such dramatizations at that scheduled time.

A news agency without any disclaimers whatsoever, by comparison, conducted this hoax. It's difficult to understand how they thought faking a civil war would give them the credibility to speak on the tensions in Belgium. Instead, they destroyed the credibility of the real journalists who staged this fiasco. Why should anyone ever trust anything they report now? If they staged a civil war with some believability, who knows what else they have staged?

(Ed.”You’re gonna mention Al Reuters and AP’s ‘Captain Jamal’ arencha????
No, no, I’m above such petty sniping…….)

[Haggis@wk]

Rape in Oslo

” The number of rapes in the Norwegian capital Oslo is six times as high as in New York City. I’ve written about the issue of rape and Muslim immigration so many times that I am, quite frankly, a bit tired of the subject. But as we all know, problems don’t disappear just because you are tired of talking about them, so here goes.

There has been an explosive increase in the number of rape charges in the city of Oslo, but both the media and the authorities consistently refuse to tell us why. They did do so, however, in 2001, when two out of Norway's three largest newspapers, Aftenposten and Dagbladet, reported that most of these rape charges involve an immigrant perp, which again mostly means Muslims.

Both newspapers have since then conveniently “forgotten” about this, and have never connected the issue to Muslim immigration although the number of rape charges has continued to rise to historic levels. They are thus at best guilty of extreme incompetence, since their former articles about this issue are still available online.

Norway’s Minister of Justice from 2001 to 2005, Odd Einar Dørum, mentioned the problem in 2001 but has later gone quiet about the issue. The reported number of rapes in Oslo is now six – 6! – times as high per capita as in New York City, yet the media keeps warning against Islamophobia.

According to Aftenposten, the clinic (voldtektsmottak) at the emergency hospital known as Legevakt has never had so many rape victims to treat. Its ability to care for them all is being severely tested. The number of reported rapes has skyrocketed this year.

Two out of three charged with rape in Norway’s capital are immigrants with a non-western background according to a police study. The number of rape cases is also rising steadily. Unni Wikan, a professor of social anthropology at the University of Oslo, in 2001 said that “Norwegian women must take their share of responsibility for these rapes” because Muslim men found their manner of dress provocative. The professor’s conclusion was not that Muslim men living in the West needed to adjust to Western norms, but the exact opposite: “Norwegian women must realize that we live in a Multicultural society and adapt themselves to it.”

Lost, these people are utterly lost. People who are afraid to fight for what they believe in are doomed.

Robert Heinlein said, “It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so.”

That seems to be the goal both in Europe and more and more, here.

[audiogirl]

I especially love the last paragraph. Sheesh.

[Haggis@wk]

….and it just gets goofier and goofier…

Parents angered as every pupil is given halal school meals

” Halal meat is being served to pupils in state schools without their knowledge, even if they believe the religious slaughter is cruel.
Parents have reacted furiously after being sent letters telling them their children’s school dinners have been all-halal for ‘some time’.
To conform with Jewish and Muslim religious tradition, animals are prepared for halal products by having their throats slit while conscious - a method many people believe is inhumane and which the RSPCA has condemned.

The meat was introduced at four schools in the Reading area with a high proportion of Muslim pupils. But parents of non-Muslim pupils - between 20 and 50 per cent of the schools’ roll -say they were not consulted.
Coach driver Andrew Weston, 37, who has a son and daughter at St John’s primary school, said: “We received a letter saying only halal meat was being served and had been for some time. I was shocked.
”The way the animals are killed for this meat is barbaric and cruel. Our children should have a choice.“

Abdul Dean, ethnic minorities officer for the Christian Peoples Alliance, said: ”Christian children should be given an equal chance to have non-halal meat. The school should have explained the situation to parents at the outset.“ ...

A spokesperson for Reading Borough Council said: ”The decision was taken several years ago. Schools thought it was the appropriate choice for their multi-cultural community. We are increasing options at the four schools by offering fish each day."

I think, that if the Apple Valley ISD had told me this when my sons were in school there I would have either home schooled them or put them in a private school.

I suspect that in Detroit and its suburbs this is also (quietly) going on.

If so, wouldn’t that be a violation of church and state?

[Selma in Sandy Eggo]

That's nuts. Who else does the school district cater to?

To the best of my knowledge, people with personal or religious dietary restrictions eat food from home. If your family keeps kosher, or is vegan, or vegetarian, or halal, or allergic to peanuts you plan to eat from home. In my case, we ate from home because my mother thought the Mystery Meat was too chancy. My kids got a lunch allowance and they could choose cafeteria food or brown bags from home (they usually decided they'd rather do pb&j, and keep the money).

[piqaboo]

Unni Wikan, a professor of social anthropology at the University of Oslo, in 2001 said that “Norwegian women must take their share of responsibility for these rapes” because Muslim men found their manner of dress provocative. The professor’s conclusion was not that Muslim men living in the West needed to adjust to Western norms, but the exact opposite: “Norwegian women must realize that we live in a Multicultural society and adapt themselves to it.”

I read this some time ago, it made me sick then and it makes me sick now.
Immigrants must realize they live in a society guided by law, and abide by it, regardless of their religious beliefs. They are welcome to try and change the laws by legal means.
I also think it interesting that a religion which will outcast a raped woman, seems to think its ok to rape women. Where is the internal logic there?
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr


Schools - sheesh. Halal meat has to cost more too. Why didnt they just go vegetarian?

[jamiebk]

Piq...I could not agree more. This is reprehensible, warped thinking. Unfortunately, there seems to be no/little logic to anything these extremists do.

[Haggis@wk]

MUSLIM WOMAN OFFERS ALTERNATIVE CHRISTIAN MESSAGE

” A veil-wearing Muslim convert today claimed the way she chooses to dress makes her feel "liberated" as she delivered an alternative Christmas message.

Khadija, the great-granddaughter of a suffragette, rejected claims that the niqab that covers her face is a mark of separation.
She said that remarks by Leader of the Commons Jack Straw about the veil earlier this year were not helpful to Muslims "trying to live quite peacefully in this society".

But she also said that Britain is the best country to live in for people who want to practise their religion freely.

Mr Straw said in a newspaper article that he asked Muslim women visiting him at his constituency surgery to remove their veils.

Later, Prime Minister Tony Blair described the veil as a "mark of separation".

Khadija, a British woman, today told how she converted to Islam 10 or 11 years ago.

"To look at me you would never guess that my great-grandmother was actually a suffragette," she said.

"One of the great things about Britain is that it is very, very tolerant and I believe it's the best country to live in if you want to be able to freely practise your religion."

Two years after converting, Khadija decided to wear a niqab.
"We are seen as oppressed," she said. "Since I've started covering I feel much more liberated, which I know a lot of people possibly won't be able to understand. “

Yep, nothing says “Women’s Liberation” as well as wearing a body bag.

[Selma in Sandy Eggo]

Yup. The girl's nuts. But I'm kind of an oddball, too, and I support everyone's right to be as stupid as they can get away with. Distinctive clothing is always a public statement of one's social alignment and is often a statement of separation from the larger society.

That being said, I guess she can wear weird clothes and hide her face, right up to the point where she's required to identify herself. At that point a photo ID and a bare face would be a necessity - though I'm willing to tolerate a lady photographer and a policewoman to make the ID. That's enough reasonable accomodation.

[barfle]

I've often wondered why some people wear clothing that says "I'm different," then complain when someone points out that they are different. It's not all of them, but it's enough to make me wonder if they are capable of using both digits of their IQs.

[Shapley]

The old Johnny Hart comic strip B.C. once had a series of cartoons in which B.C. had formed a 'non-conformists' club. He's dressed in stupid looking clothes (when all the other characters wore animal skins), with a propellor-beanie cap. Peter asks him why the stupid clothes, to which Peter responds "It's our uniform". So there you have it, even non-conformists have to conform to some type of uniformity if they are to stand out from the crowd.

It explained a lot to me, such as why some many people who were 'doing there own thing' looked and acted alike.

V/R
Shapley

[Haggis@wk]

Selma,

” though I'm willing to tolerate a lady photographer and a policewoman to make the ID. That's enough reasonable accomodation.”

Nope, nada, no, nay. "slippery slope" "domino theory" "getting involved in a land war in Asia" etc.

That’s exactly what they want, you accommodating their beliefs while they deny yours. That’s the beginning of states sanctioning one religion or set of beliefs over another.

[Haggis@wk]

Muslims 'refuse anti-MRSA gel'

”SOME Muslims are undermining the battle to rid Britain’s hospitals of killer infections by refusing to wash their hands when visiting sick relatives.
Dispensers containing anti-bacterial gel have been placed outside wards at hospitals all over Britain in a bid to get rid of superbugs like MRSA and PVL.
It prevents people bringing in more infections. But some Muslims refuse to use the hand cleansers on religious grounds because they contain alcohol.”

There are several possible outcomes to this. Use a different disinfectant, educate Muslims that we drink ethanol and we wash with ethyl alcohol. Mix up these two and it will be your last drink, but in the end all outcomes are really reduced to two.

One, refuse entry to anyone who won’t clean their hands, or two, ignore the practice in the name or religious sensitivity and hope the MRSA death numbers don’t get too bad.

This is quite a serious issue in the U.K. now with lots of articles detailing the horrors of MRSA.

As I recall from living there, the “Sun” newspaper was often accused of sensationalism so maybe this is just that; sensationalism. Maybe our friends across the Atlantic could give us some perspective.

But I see this as further evidence that some kind of infection is taking root in the UK and it ain’t necessarily MRSA.

[Haggis@wk]

JAMES MCCORMICK REVIEWS Mark Steyn's America Alone:

"In more academic hands, America Alone would have been longer on statistics and historical references, and much shorter on wit and clarity. But in our current political environment, it’s hard to imagine an academic book, drawing on the same facts and arguments, climbing onto the bestsellers lists as quickly as this one. This will be the book that gets the arguments out in front of the general public in a palatable, even amusing, way. And because of the harmony of Steyn’s argument with the broader historical/technical discussions in the [Bill Bennett's book] Anglosphere Challenge, Mark Steyn will be the leading proponent for American (and secondarily Anglosphere) exceptionalism over the next few years."

I have recommended “America Alone” several times and still do. It is an easy read and he really, for the most part, sticks with facts and numbers that, while not directly referenced, are easy to find. Much is based on UN Studies available online. For instance the Arab Human Development Report 2003 tells us more books are translated into Spanish in a single year than have been translated into Arabic in the last thousand years….That would indicate to me that the Arab (and by extension the Muslim) world is fairly certain that they have all the knowledge required to exist in the world. More importantly they believe they have all the knowledge for you to exist in their world.

No trips to the moon, no Internet, no nothing we consider modern.

What books do get translated into Arabic?

“Mein Kampf” and “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion”. Any of our British Colleagues willing to take a run down to the Muslim bookshops on Edgware Rd. in London and take a look at what’s on the shelves?

The book also refutes the same thing that I have for years: there is not and never has been a “population explosion,” on the earth, one of Shos’ favorites villains.

The birth rates of every modern country, except the U.S., are below the 2.1 rate required just to break even. The simple fact is that the world population will start, at the very latest to decline by the 2050s, and probably earlier. Unlike Mr. Gore predictions, these numbers are verifiable and hard. (Shos will also be dismayed to learn that Kerry’s “Blue States” and Canada have something in common, Canada and very few of the “Blue States” have sustainable birth rates; Canada’s at 1.5. For the first time in over a century the U.S. population is greater than Canada’s (two facts that many Americans never knew)

Albania fertility rate is 2.2, just barely above the sustainability rate of 2.1 and well below its 4.9 rate in the 70s. But Albania, Europe’s only majority Muslim country, has the highest fertility rate in all of Europe.

In the first half of the 21st century 1/3 of the population of Europe is going to disappear by choice. (don’t even get me started on what that’s going to do to OT’s cherished “socialized medicine”!)

And who is going to replace those declining numbers?

Look at the “top of the charts” in birth rates

Niger 7.46, Mali 7.42, Somalia 6.76, Afghanistan 6.69 Yemen 6.68. All Islamic and all too poor to sustain those population. Where do you think they are going to wind up?

Islam is currently the principal supplier of New Europeans and currently the second largest supplier of new Canadians. Not “Italians” not “Greeks” not even “Chinese” but Islamics. Unlike immigrants of yore these immigrants are a religion and a particularly political one. Your great grandfather left his birthplace behind him and even if he brought a common religion with him, catholic, etc. he still prayed in an Italian, Irish or Spanish church. But with this new trend we are looking at a “pan-Islamic” migration that is bringing an identity with it that transcends any other migration in modern history unless you include Attila the Hun or Genghis Khan as being part of “modern history”.

Australia’s Prime Minister John Howard, possibly the only current Western Statesman with the courage to comment on the Caliph’s new clothes after 9/11 said;

You can’t find any equivalent in Italian or Greek or Lebanese or Chinese or Baltic immigration to Australia. There is no equivalent of raving on about jihad. There is really not much point in pretending it doesn’t exist”

So, read the book, especially you Shos if for no other reason than to allay your fears that the “population explosion” is coming. That's not to say that Shos' fear of mass starvation won't occur, especially if the Caliph decides that only farming methods available in the 7th Century will appease Allah.

The only resource that is absolutely vital to us is us. Every other resource is incidental and/or replaceable.