Responsibility

[RC]

RC's SERMON/HIGH PRESSURE STEAM RELEASE VALVE

If your country is, your homeland is, or your countrymen are threatened, there should be no need for a draft. Ever. Under any circumstances.
THAT is patriotism . A draft is a device to force a person to fight for something not evidently threatening enough (directly or to your sensibilities), to make you want to fight. In this day and age, if you can't employ enough volunteers, you don't have a good enough cause. There are a million ways to communicate the need/threat. If our nation can not muster strength enough to defend itself, we don't deserve to thrive.

Charity: There should be no need for charitable "organizations". What, you don't have time for the needy? Hmmm, wonder why they continue to be needy. How convenient that you can blame them and take none yourself because, after all, you donate to charity.
If you are superior enough to condemn your fellow countrymen for being needy, you certainly could impart your personal knowledge to get them on the right path and out of poverty. If you would rather pay someone else to do it, shut up about it.

Welfare: Welfare was designed to care for citizens when there was not enough wealthy individuals left to care for all the poor. The government borrowed and became indebted not to remove responsiblity from individuals but because there just wasn't enough wealthy individuals left to take care of their fellow countrymen. If you don't intend to take personal responsibility for your neighbor, shut up about welfare.

Guns: It isn't a right, it is a responsibility. Learn how to use one because I may need your help protecting YOU and me. Yes, I would risk it all for you.
Guns in the cockpit:
So now you want to drop your luggage at the curb and forget the rest? Oh yeah, you're on vacation. Like those cheap tickets right now? They are government subsidized.
Your airline does not work in a capitalistic economy.
You can NOT afford to pay my husband enough money to take you from Miami to Cleveland for $150.00, provide your special food, your air conditioning, your mechanical safety, your pilot-error insurance, a guaranteed arrival time, your luggage synchronicity, your weather safety, your technology guarantee, your flipping floatation device, AND your terrorist protection! By the way - he supports the guns for pilots thing.
Where are the Sky Marshals? If you're willing to give a gun to a pilot, why aren't you asking how many Sky Marshals were hired? You are relinquishing a certain responsibility in the name of safey right? And you're OK with handing that responsibility over to the cockpit? We do not have government sponsored training available in the US-of-A for pilot/terrorist training. If you think the airlines are going to cover it, whatever!!!! These are the people negotiating pilot and mechanic paycuts and management golden parachutes while they beg on bended knee for another government bail out. Oh, you didn't know?

Safety: OK, you want to leave your safety to the military and hope to God that the cause is convincing enough to make them want to fight. President Bush is in charge of that right now. Polls show about 50% of the people are not convinced.
Israel hasn't had an airline hi-jacking in decades. Do you know why? There are armed, trained, personell on EVERY flight, EVERY cockpit is armor plated, it is a government sponsored airline. They have some experience.
As long as we're relinquishing our security to someone else, lets drop the pretense of a capitalistic air industry and just buy the damn security for every flight. I really don't have a problem with that.
WE reacted to 9/11 by bailing out the airlines and attacking Iraq! Who, buy the way, apparently had NO direct connection with the 3,000+ deaths of 9/11, but the guy that WAS directly connected is MIA.

$180 BILLION! I wonder if I could have found bin Laden, AND trained a Sky Marshal for every flight for 180 BILLION DOLLARS AND 1,000 LOST LIVES.

I HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN 9/11

Education: Guaranteed education by the US federal government was meant to provide education for those that can't afford a private education. I don't want to hear you say that children should learn about sex, god, sports, music or etiquette in public school.
No prayer in public schools! I don't want to pay for YOUR kid to practice YOUR religion on MY kids time any more than I want them to learn how to use a condem instead of fractions! You want to make sure your kid prays in school, pay for parochial school. If you can't afford private school, shut up about your relatively cheap pulbic education. You are spending MY money too.
HELLO...Hello...hello... Where are YOU? It is YOUR responsiblity. Thank God it has not been taken away by some maniacal government directed by me. Why on earth would you give that up?

Lastly, Shap, for you:

You suggested that I try home schooling. Unfortunately, I currently provide the only income for our family. I guess I could wrangel some Medicade, foodstamps, and some Social Security disability benefits for my husband so I could stay home and provide my childrens education because I can't trust the government to tell me when my schools bus route is found in the pocket of an Iraqi insurgent , (pant, pant), but my dad would be rolling in his grave and my stomach turns at the thought of submitting completely to the government beuraucracy. If you really want to help me in this endeavour by donating your tax dollars, why don't you just send me a check?

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[shostakovich]

PM me your name and address.
Shos

[RC]

<choking up graemlin>

Had I been thinking instead of typing 400 wpm, I'd have realized that shos (and probably Shap), and others here are exactly the kind of people who would do just that.

My mouth runneth over.

I handed my lunch money to the homeless guy on the hi-way a couple of days ago so I know for a fact there are some folks out there that need it more than I do.

I'm so humbled I'm barely visible

[Shapley]

RC,

I know you didn't really ask a question on this thread, but I'll vent a little steam as well, regarding these issues.

patriotism I agree we don't need a draft. The only people talking about a draft are Democrats, and their blaming it on Republicans. However, If you're thinking of signing up for the National Guard, Naval Reserve, Army Reserve, Marine Corps Reserve, etc, and think that it's an easy way to make money for college or to pick up a little extra beer money, then you'd better think before you sign on the dotted line. The military has one job to do, and it isn't a pretty one. They have to train people so that, when called on to do the job, they're ready to go. Many sign up, train, do their two or four years, and go home without ever having to do that job. However, if you're enlisted, and called on to go to war, don't start playing the conscience card then, the time to play that card was before you signed up. There ain't no democracy once the bullets start to fly.


Charity: I have to disagree with you here. I've given money to beggars on the street to feed their families, only find out they went and bought a bottle of wine instead. I have neither the time nor the ability to monitor my charitible giving to ensure that it is properly used. That's why I try to pick charities that have a record of good work. If a local family loses everything in a fire, or the children don't have money for school supplies, decent clothing, etc., I'm happy to help as well.

However, if I find out that some charity is spending seventy-five cents of every dollar trying to raise more, or on high salaries for the staff, then they can forget getting any more from me. Ditto those charities or campaigns that send me a dollar bill, hoping I'll send it back with a few others to boost their coffers. If they can through money around that way, they don't need the small sum that I can afford to send them.


Welfare: Welfare has been reformed, and as far as I can see in our area, the reforms are working, as are many of those that had been using the safety net as a hammock. I don't hear many in my neck of the woods fussing about welfare. There was a problem, and it was, for the most part, fixed.

Guns: The second amendment isn't about sporting goods, its about protection, and security. No one can guarantee you security, least of all the government. With a firearm, however, you can tilt things in your favor.

Guns in the cockpit: I think it's a good idea.

Airlines: Yes, they are subsidised. The question is, how much are we willing to susbsidize them? Do we write them a blank check, say to them "fix your problems and send us the bill." Or do we budget the money, like everyone else has to do. The simple fact is, it's now more prudent to drive many of the distances we used to fly. By the time you've fought traffic to the airport, arriving at least an hour before your flight, waited twenty minutes on the runway, flown to your destination, rented a car and fought traffic out of the airport, you can drive quicker to many destinations. Flying isn't what it used to be, necessarily. People have to adjust, and most of us have, to the detriment of the airlines.

Safety: It's an insecure world. The rest of the world has lived with terror for decades, even centuries, while we've been mostly excempt. But the change has been coming for years. Those that hate us have been plotting and planning for years. In 1993, they tried to tear down the WTC, but failed. They've been studying it ever since, and finally in 2001, they did it. It isn't George Bush' fault, nor Bill Clinton's nor anyone else except those that committed the atrocious act. We have to be vigilent now, as we should have been all along, but we have to live, at the same time. Neither George Bush nor John Kerry nor even Ralph Nader can provide you with Safety. You have to realize the risk, do what you can to minimize it, and get on with life.

Education: President Carter made the Department of Education a cabinet position, and the quality of education has declined steadily ever since. In my opinion, they should tear down these massive warehouse schools and build neighborhood schools, closer to home, and smaller. Take the sports out of the school and establish neighborhood or city-wide sports leagues. The schools sqaunder vast sums of money promoting sports programs, often to the detriment of the education.

V/R
Shapley

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[RC]

AAaaaahhhhh. Doesn't that feel better?

[OperaTenor]

Hi Shap, I concur with much of what you say regarding education.

Piq owns a rental condo currently occupied by two female college students. When they first began renting(last fall), Piq had to teach them how to write a check(i.e., they wrote "$[X]40.00" in the box, then wrote "[X]hundred and 40/100" on the line.
We just found out they'll be graduating from college this year.

Our future.

[mmichaelson]

Ha! We had a teacher in our fifth grade math class who taught us how to write checks and to manage a checking account. She gave us "money" for good grades and we had to manage our accounts. We could "buy" things by writing checks at her store and then we had to balance our checking accounts at the end of each month.
I think all schools should cover this. Along with money management.
I have a close friend who is in 16K worth of debt with her husband. In fact, they purchased their last car by putting the down payment on a cc!!!!! Why??? Geez, they'll never be in the black again.

My husband and I have one credit card, for purchases that require credit (ie, online, used to be for school, etc) but we pay off the bill completely every month. Other than our house, we are completely debt-free, and intend upon staying that way.

All people should be taught to money-manage!

OT, I would have made a much more knowledgable tenant! (well, me and my two kitties and my poor hubby)

[Shapley]

Saxy,

It used to be called "home economics". Why more boys didn't enroll in it is a puzzle. Peer pressure, I suppose.

Too bad political correctness took hold and sent "Home Ec" the way of the whale.

OT, I know what you mean. I've had to conduct interviews with some potential employees. I wonder how they got through eighth grade, let alone graduated from high school.

{Hint} If you're going to apply for a computer-operator position, at least know how to turn the darn thing on!
How you get a two-year certificate in computer-aided design technology without that basic bit of information is beyond me.

V/R
Shapley

[Selma in Sandy Eggo]

<sigh> Checks. My mother taught me when I was about 14, took her about two hours. I taught my kids when they were about 14, took me about two hours. Why should this be taught in school?

Home Economics. Eighth grade class, mandatory for girls. Boys not invited. Boys were in mandatory woodshop, girls not invited. Too bad, Mom had already done the entire HomeEc syllabus and I might have learned something in woodshop.

However, on the home ec subject, Boy and Younger Girl had a high school class called "Independent Living" that covered the basics of cooking, nutrition, laundry, shopping, banking, auto maintenance, roommate selection, and a number of other useful things. It took 1 semester - computer literacy and keyboarding was the other semester.

[mmichaelson]

Selma, we had something similar when I was in high school.

[BigJon]

I teach personal finance classes to adults. I try to catch young couples who have just gotten married and induce them to attend my classes, since this seems to be the time when many people screw up their financial lives. I'm appalled at the lack of training in personal finance in our schools. These kids know nothing unless a knowledgeable parent has taken them under wing.

BigJon

[Selma in Sandy Eggo]

I dunno, BJ, I always figured I was in charge of raising my kids. Always have been puzzled why schools should be in charge of anything but academics, arts, and football games.

[piqaboo]

Saxy, love ta have ya, if you move this way.
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Draft:
That draft bill crashed and burned something like 400 against, 2 in favor. Hardly looks like a democratic (or republican)conspiracy.

That living skills class sounds good. Sounds like New and Improved Home Ec! (which I didnt take.) My sister took three years of metal shop.
Gotta love Title IX.

[piqaboo]

A comparison of some things US vs French.
This quote came from friends of mine who spend everal months each year in France. he rent the same g^ite each time. She speaks french fluently, he speaks not one word.

We've been coming here for 30 years, and have observed that work is viewed and carried out differently in France than it is in the U.S. Statistics tell one story, but a stronger impression comes from real people whom we know. We cannot know everything there is to know about the French economy, but we have formed our own views of Work In France.

It's a very diversified economy, with high-tech industries like aerospace, electronics, chemicals, nuclear power, and pharmaceuticals contrasting with farming, manual labor and small shop keeping. The prestige industries of fashion, perfume, jewelry, wine and spirits continue to boost France's image with new buyers in China and the developing world. But there is a sea of unsold wine, and reportedly cognac sales are dropping.

Tourism is about 6% of the economy, peaking at 77 million visitors in 2002 before dropping to 75 million last year during war and economic recession. The Japanese spend about 272 euros (one euro = $1.24) per day when they visit, the Americans 208 euros, and everybody else under 200 euros. France is the number one tourist destination in the world.

The farming sector is heavily subsidized, as it is in the U.S. The U.S. expends $180 billion each year to subsidize cotton, wheat, corn, cattle and soybeans, with the largest industrial landowners benefiting. The EU spends around $170 billion on agricultural subsidies, but it is primarily the small family farms who receive benefits. The land in France is the richest we have seen. In addition to wine and grapes, France produces wheat, sugar beets, dairy and meat cattle, as well as a myriad of other agricultural products. The food supply is of exceptionally high quality here (but the meat is tough). The French have made a political choice to keep out any genetically modified strains of food. Although farming is subsidized, French farmers work the hardest and longest physically of any sector. On some of the gites that are working farms, they work from 7 in the morning, to 9 p.m. at night. They are self-reliant and use some barter/exchange as the basis of maintaining a comfortable standard of living.

The industrial and public sectors have been subject to the 35 hour work week norms in the past few years. They were supposed to add new employees to do the work from the other 5 hours that the original employees are now not working. I have read reports that this has not resulted in significant new hiring of employees, but rather decreased productivity, as the same employees receive their original pay for working less hours. A report in today's Le Monde alludes to France's trailing productivity. Work rules are extremely strict, and employers have little flexibility to fire. The workforce receives first world pay, but at a 59% income tax rate, enjoys less of their salaries than most other nations' workers. However, again and again, we hear that most employees are glad to pay high taxes to make sure all French people have a decent retirement pension, and health benefits, and unemployment protection (they need it, because French unemployment is high, between 9 and 10%).

The government sector is large, accounting for 25% of the employment, compared to a figure of 15% in the U.S. We have seen figures as high as 40% government employment, perhaps counting the mayors for each of the 63,000 communities, their deputies and adjuncts. Interestingly, the efficiency of the road workers is extremely high, responding to calls to fix roads, remove downed trees and obstacles in rapid time. The post office is efficient, compared to that in the U.S., based on our experience. Workers gravitate to the public sector, for they are eligible to receive good retirement benefits from a part-time mayor's job after only a few years.

We know some workers in a quasi-governmental organization, EDF, the electrical utility, who cynically exploit the system to do as little as possible. This attitude is widespread. One EDF employee Corinne Maier, has written a bestseller, "Bonjour Paresse" (hello laziness), estimating that at least 17% of the workforce is actively engaged in resisting the demands of their employers, using sabotage, or staying home from work. She says "Work is organized a little like the court of Louis XIV, very complicated and very ritualized so that people feel they are working effectively when they are not". She argues that since France is not a meritocracy, unless you have a diploma from one of the prestigious schools, normal people have no chance to move up. Therefore they should protest exploitation by devoting as little effort to their jobs as possible, focusing on their personal lives.

A September 9 editorial by Michael Johnson in the International Herald Tribune states " In the French publishing firm where I worked, employees simply did not buy the argument that their work might be inherently worthwhile and essential to the success of the firm, the source of their sustenance. They resented the fact that shareholders took home unearned income from their daily work!"

We hear from our 20-35 year old friends how very difficult it is to get any entry level job. One acquaintance assembles electronic parts on a 6-month government subsidized job entry program, with no chance of getting hired full-time! Another young person has decided to spend the next 6 years getting a doctor's degree so he can go into academia (thereby postponing entering the workforce). Jennifer, the English student we are tutoring, says that the number of positions teaching English dropped 68% last year to 150, and next year there will only be 80 in all of France open to those passing the exam. Her fiancé Francois is highly educated in forestry and environmental management, but he, too, cannot find a job.

A retired engineer from Alcatel reported that French companies are eager to get rid of employees after age 50, and that he was told at age 45, that there would be no more opportunities for advancement at his age. He just stuck it out until retiring at age 60. So the productive part of most people's career only lasts between age 35 and 50. And higher education is of little help in getting a job or advancement This is sad!

Our French friends tell us that family and leisure time are far more important than working more hours, receiving more money, or accumulating more possessions. French people work 300 fewer hours than Americans (who work 1978 annual hours now). But many people report being financially strapped, unable to buy some of the things they would like to have, or make use of their 6 weeks of vacation to see the world. In contrast, we hear Americans wishing for more leisure time, and the need for more widespread health care coverage available to all. There is no perfect system.

We know there are jobs here, because we have read articles about where they are: in the hotel and restaurant business, in home and nursing home health care, in the trades. Our friend Michel's metal workshop has a backlog of all the balconies, railings and lawn chairs he can possibly weld and fabricate in Latour de France. According to the September edition of French News, the technical schools are half empty, same for the restaurant and cooking schools. Yet artisans (tradesmen) complain that they cannot recruit youngsters for manual occupations like plumbing and plastering "a job which will never be shut down by an international takeover or relocated to another country...they all want to go into the post office with a 35 hour week and a guaranteed pension". Qualified nurses and midwives have to be recruited from Spain now. Even the hairdressing industry (which requires 4 years of technical school) would add to their 118,000 workforce if they had applicants.

In France, the share of working age people with jobs is around the European low of 62%, compared to 71% in the U.S. (IHT, 9/29/04) This could be increased, if desired, by reducing bureaucratic and tax barriers to creating small businesses. Since French women now produce fewer babies than are required to maintain population stability (1.8 children per couple, vs. 2.1 for stability), at some point in time a social policy change may be required to fully employ either the current or future immigrants (most of whom are Muslim). As population decreases, the government's ability to pay the generous health and pension benefits is reduced, threatening the social contract.

There is only one individual amongst all of our friends and acquaintances who genuinely seems to be enjoying her work. She works in international aerospace, with a technical degree and managerial experience. She travels the world and is having a ball. But for most of the other people we know, work is described as a necessary but boring imposition on one's "real life".

The two views of work could not be more profoundly different. Anglo-Saxon attitudes about work involve the virtues of discipline, personal growth, enjoyment of the use of one's talents, plus the chance for savings and consumption. French attitudes toward work imply something to be endured or gotten through in order to reach the after-life; but everyone's work is collective and ensures the comfort of all. I have come to believe that these attitudes are rooted in history: the medieval lord took care of the serf. Working for an entity who provided protection from bandits and doled out basic food and shelter in return for working the fields became deeply engrained. In America, self-reliant individuals struck out across the ocean into the unknown, and did whatever job was necessary to survive. "Ain't nobody gonna take care of me but myself", said one of our American visitors last fall. It's still like that today.

Claudia and Steve

[RC]

That was a great read!

[mmichaelson]

Great read for me, tying in history to modern habits. Might cause others to snooze, but I loved it! Thanks for sharing Piq!

[The Great Carouser]

What follows is the text of a rather interesting e-mail I received recently. I will state for the record that when my draft lottery number came up I failed my physical (4F)

A case could be made that this will be the last election in which military service in Vietnam has any political currency. For the record, it's worth noting who really served among the heavyweights in each of the major political parties. There are some surprises here. Be sure to read to the end where the TV pundits who jabber about military service have their military credentials exposed. The hypocrisy is staggering.

Democrats
Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.
David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.
Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.
Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an army journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.
Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam.
Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-'47; Medal of Honor, WWII.
John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V Purple Hearts.
John Edwards: did not serve.
Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.
Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam.
Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-1953.
Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.
Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII, receiving the Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons.
Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze Stars, and Soldier's Medal.
Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star and Legion of Merit.
Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.
Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam; Bronze Star with Combat V.
Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.
Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
Chuck Robb: Vietnam
Howell Heflin: Silver Star
George McGovern: Bomber pilot, many missions. ! Silver Star & DFC during WWII.
Bill Clinton: Avoided service with student deferments. Entered draft but received 311.
Jimmy Carter: Annapolis grad. Seven years in the Navy.
Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953
John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal with 18 Clusters.
Tom Lantos: Said to have served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul Wallenberg.
Wesley Clark: U.S. Army, 1966-2000, West Point, Vietnam, Purple Heart, Silver Star. Retired 4-star general.
John Dingell: WWII vet
John Conyers: Army 1950-57, Korea

Republicans
Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
Tom Delay: did not serve.
House Whip Roy Blunt: did not serve.
Bill Frist: did not serve.
Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
George Pataki: did not serve.
Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
Rick Santorum: did not serve.
Trent Lott: did not serve.
Dick Cheney: did not serve. Had "other priorities." Several deferments, the last for wife's pregnancy.
John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.
Jeb Bush: did not serve.
Karl Rove: did not serve.
Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who attacked Max Cleland's patriotism.
Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
Vin Weber: did not serve.
Richard Perle: did not serve.
Douglas Feith: did not serve.
Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
Richard Shelby: did not serve.
Jon Kyl: did not serve.
Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
Christopher Cox: did not serve.
Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
Donald Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as aviator and flight instructor.
George W. Bush: six-year Nat'l Guard commitment (in four years); questions about his service remain.
Ronald Reagan: made war propaganda movies.
Gerald Ford: Navy, WWII
Phil Gramm: did not serve.
John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of ! Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.
Bob Dole: Army officer WWII.
Chuck Hagel: two Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star, Vietnam.
Duke Cunningham: nominated for Medal of Honor, Navy Cross, Silver Stars, Air Medals, Purple Hearts.
Jeff Sessions: Army Reserves, 1973-1986
JC Watts: did not serve.
Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
G.H.W. Bush: Pilot in WWII. Shot down by the Japanese.
Tom Ridge: Bronze Star for Valor in Vietnam.
Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
Clarence Thomas: did not serve

Pundits & Preachers
Sean Hannity: did not serve.
Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst.')
Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
Michael Savage: did not serve.
George Will: did not serve.
Chris Matthews: did not serve.
Paul Gigot: did not serve.
Bill Bennett: did not serve.
Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
Bill Kristol: did not serve.
Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
Michael Medved: did not serve.

So interesting which party and people wrap themselves in the American flag...

[Shapley]

GC,

I don't know about the accuracy of it, however I noted:

Bob Dole: Army officer WWII.

I think there was a bit more that story, like the loss of an arm.

Ronald Reagan: made war propaganda movies

He was, I seem to recall, a member of the Army Air Corps at the time.

His Library website list the following info:

1942
April 19
Called to active duty and reported to Fort Mason, California. Later he was transferred to the Army Air Corps and assigned to the 1st Motion Picture Unit in Culver City, California. Called "Fort Roach," this unit made over 400 training films.

September
Played the role of Drake McHugh in the Warner Bros. picture, Kings Row, his most artistically acclaimed role. In this picture, he uttered the line, "Where's the rest of me?"



1943
January 14
Promoted to First Lieutenant.

July 22
Promoted to Captain.

1945 February 2
Recommended for promotion to Major.

March 14
Adopted son, Michael, was born.

July 17
Promotion to Major disapproved.

August 21
Signed a million-dollar contract with Warner Bros.

December 9
Honorably discharged from the Army


V/R
Shapley

[OperaTenor]

Thanks Shap, that changes everything.

[RC]

I was just going to let him run with it. I'd like to verify every single one but I'm too lazy. Figured if Shap took the republicans, Shos would take the dems, and I'd be off the hook.