Just One More Gripe

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Re: Just One More Gripe

Postby Selma in Sandy Eggo » Wed Oct 20, 2004 3:28 am

I don't know about that concensus thing. Seems like variety is a better goal.

Though I do like the Gandalf idea. Could we write in Aragorn for Pres, Gandalf for VP? I'd aim for one of the elves, but they'd never take the gig...
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Re: Just One More Gripe

Postby OperaTenor » Wed Oct 20, 2004 8:32 am

Besides, they're all leaving....

Aragorn/Gandalf for '04!
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Re: Just One More Gripe

Postby Selma in Sandy Eggo » Fri Oct 22, 2004 11:37 am

Where'd Nekkit go? Did we logic him into oblivion?

Haggis has gone quiet, too. Him, I'm worried about. Generally he lets us know if he's going to be gone for a while. I'm missing his slick way with words. Plus, we like the same books...

Where are you, boys? I promise not to make you vote for Aragorn!
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Re: Just One More Gripe

Postby GreatCarouser » Fri Oct 22, 2004 12:42 pm

I think they're actually the same person...like the legendary Shones.... or Batman and Bruce Wayne....notice how we never see them together
( Just what this board needs to wake it up....a conspiracy theory! Ub. Ed. )?!

NudeVonHaggis? :o :D

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Re: Just One More Gripe

Postby Selma in Sandy Eggo » Fri Oct 22, 2004 2:24 pm

Originally posted by The Great Carouser:
NudeVonHaggis? :o :D
Careful, now, you'll offend them both.

Also, you forgot to include Elfis, and the Gnomes of Zurich. ;)

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Re: Just One More Gripe

Postby OperaTenor » Thu Oct 28, 2004 2:02 pm

I stumbled across this while perusing a rather hard-core Christian website:

"The Christian Right is steeped with a certain superiority of its existence. It affirms through the service of a righteous power. The truth assumed in possession, it is blinded to higher truths and turns the other way. They suspect and stone the prophet and quench the spirit by protecting a selfish status-quo. The Christian right cares nothing about social justice, it is about retribution upon all the sinners with homosexuals and baby killers at the top of the list. The judgmentalist beam in their eye is huge, once this blindness sets in, the Bible is twisted to conform to the delusion and used as a sword to tear their opponents with."

It's rather refreshing to see some Christians out there taking a stand to try and actually emulate Jesus.

JMHO, or course.

They also propsed this chant/song:

"Prescription for social justice in the world:
Hide it under a BUSHel NO! I'm going to let it shine.
Hide it under a BUSHel NO! I'm going to let it shine, let it shine, let it shine, let it shine.
Sing as many times over and over until they are out of their Babylonian delusion."
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Re: Just One More Gripe

Postby OperaTenor » Thu Oct 28, 2004 2:09 pm

Here's more of what the author has to say about the "Christian Right":

"The Bible teaches that human life begins with the breath and we become living souls. This idea of the breath of life is constant throughout scripture, there is no denying it among a Berean spirit but the question of when life begins is turned around by the Christian Right as a ruse to end the dialogue. Once abortion is tantamount to killing little children - insight, reason and the Bible have to be glazed over to convince a church that it is not a question about an unborn fetus any more but baby murder.

The Christian Right became a bastion of undemocratic power. When confronted with truth, they felt their piety was attacked and instilled martyr complexes for the faithful. Religious persecution was feigned as they became victims and waited upon God for vindication, the unborn was used as pawns. Then the outright hostilities, no longer liberty and justice for all, it was a vendetta against the "liberal agenda" and everything that was not pro-family was demonized; if liberals win, they will ban the Bible and bring God's wrath upon our nation. These attitudes didn't produce a quality of grace upon the people but repression.

This has been going on for years. Without the true love and grace in the church necessary for spreading the gospel to the poor effectively, the repression made America into a fearful, schizophrenic, selfish, materialistic, anti-church society on one side and a fearful, schizophrenic, selfish, materialistic, false church society on the other side vying for political power. This is enough to confuse even a godly remnant.

Once appealed in the way of the Christian Right, a luke warm church starts thinking that this repression is the way of the Bible and gets sucked into a quagmire of lies and compromise. They preach fear, saying liberals will take over the courts, take Christian freedoms away, take God out of everything, make gay marriages legal, are anti-family, are ungodly reprobates and infidels, murder infants and old people, the enemy of true patriotic Americans. All the while, true social reform suffers everywhere.

Enough of this propaganda and they got people convinced that if you give money to these prophets and teachers, you are giving to God and helping to spread the "word." So it spreads and spreads until it is the voice of choice for Christians called for a war against sin. What a whitewash. The Christian Right became very successful at it. George Bush may be a buffoon but he is our buffoon and we all love Jesus. We should be praying for our President like the Bible tells us to and not bashing him.

Fact is that I am praying for George Bush - that he gets beat. I heard a false spirit calling for the abolition of term limits. If he acts like Antichrist sitting atop the darkness of Babylon, get rid of him. There is only one way to do that. We are dealing with life and death issues, faith, truth, grace and freedom and Bush has his trigger finger on the biggest weapons of mass destruction. The remnant must stand up for justice for the world against the nature of the beast. A divided American church is blind to it. We can speak out and that is to remind them of economic democracy, freedom of choice, human and religious rights, liberality and justice. This is the true liberal agenda but antichrist forces seek to destroy that. We can see through this world system. "

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Re: Just One More Gripe

Postby Serenity » Thu Oct 28, 2004 10:28 pm

Can you translate this jargon into plain English? Maybe Google should add this language to their Language Toolbar which, by the way, include Pig Latin and Klingon!
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Re: Just One More Gripe

Postby OperaTenor » Fri Oct 29, 2004 12:20 am

Just that there is a "hard core" Christian backlash to the neocons who want to Christianize the world by force. They seem to almost call GWB the Antichrist, and the neocons in general they accuse of attempting to establish a "new world order". For those who focus on the end times per the Bible, those are some pretty heavy allegations.

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