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Siem Reap Instability

Postby RC » Thu Jun 16, 2005 2:55 pm

Anyone heard from tan today?
Saw this story on GOOGLE and got concerned:
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The four attackers stormed Siem Reap International School, grabbed students from several countries, and demanded money, weapons and a vehicle before police ended the six-hour standoff and took four young gunmen into custody.

Gunfire broke out inside the school, and hostage takers later told police they killed the Canadian boy because he was crying too much. Police moved in after they "threatened to kill the other children one by one," Information Minister Khieu Kanharith said.
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Re: Siem Reap Instability

Postby Shapley » Thu Jun 16, 2005 4:42 pm

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Yes, Tan has weighed in at least once today.

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Re: Siem Reap Instability

Postby tan » Thu Jun 16, 2005 7:29 pm

Thanks Shapeley for your concern!
A terrible- though isolated incident.
we are griefing for the family and the poor little canadian boy.
from what i gather the school, known as the rich kids school, very expensive, five year olds with cellphones are not an exception- had shoddy or even no security. One article claims it was the security guards themselves who did it- not true.
actually we live on the seaside in a beachtownette called Sihanoukville, and often news is slow, certainly late in coming, we didn't hear about it until it was over. a friend from amsterdam sms' d me about 7 hrs ago, that is how we heard)
for once i must say our inept police did an almost adequate job.
another point, it is a very bad idea to flaunt riches in a poor country, any poor country.
and yes there is a criminal element in cambodia as anywhere else. and yes the reoffending khmers that america sends ust these days ( can' t blame them for that one) adds greatly to that scene.
thanks again! tanja
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Re: Siem Reap Instability

Postby shostakovich » Fri Jun 17, 2005 12:31 am

Not to hijack a terror thread, but just to interject. About 50 years ago I bought a record with Kostelanetz and "his orchestra". It contained a Cambodian Suite (about 6 1/2 min) by Prince Norodom Sihanouk. The record notes said he was a great statesman and a music lover. Any comments?
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Re: Siem Reap Instability

Postby RC » Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:20 am

Sihanouk (King now), is a great statesmen in that he walked the tightrope between the communists and the Americans, between the Vietnamese enemies and the Viatnamese ally.
He gained power by conivance of his own mother. She was Queen when the King died and he managed to get her, a political figure, resigned to a non political role while appointing himself head of state.
He survived Pol Pot... and nothing much has changed. The 'rich kids' school is much like the one, I think it IS the one, that the French kids went to before the French were booted.
Sihanoukville? Tee hee. I guess he deserves it.
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Re: Siem Reap Instability

Postby tan » Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:22 am

ooh yes, dear shostacovgich,
former king norodom was chosen to become king of cambodia by the french. he wAs a very young man then, and the french thought thet could easyly manipulate him... well they were wrong./ sihanouk is and was an excentric persomality. but true to his country and his people. he tried anyThing to keep us out of the war, as we all know he went good and wromg, just tried anything. and did not sucseed,as we all know too...
an arist, made a king.. and now his son is our new king, used to be a chorerographer in paris.. and now we got outselves a queen. as we quip...does a good job so far, as a friend said (khmer bye rhe way) maybe better king the one no want the power?
no, i know king norodom has a bad reputation, but the cHoices he faced, nobody could have done any different...
have a POWEROUT, AM ON BATTERY NOW. in a few hours possibly power returns, ....

THIS ONE TO SHAPLEY: wyhen i got to work today, i told my staff, khmer and western crying
ABout the sIeam reap inIcdent that you looked for us; HEREBY THE THANKS FROM: ROTHANA, AND VIBOL. MY MANAGER AND BROTHER- LONG STORY BUT I AM ADOPTED BY A KHMER FAMILY- MR MOB OUR MOTODOP' SISTER, DAD, MOM, MY LITTLE SISTERS, MY GERMAN STRAFF OLIVIA AND ARND, MY ENGLISH STAFF OLIVER AND JOHM, MY NEIGHBOURS, SAM,MRS SUN, THE BAYOUN FAMILY, BIG ,MARK. ROSE,
LITTLE MAX AND HIS WIFE MAD ( NO JOKE), CEEEPY GORDON, THR DIVERS AND MANY ,MANY MORE....
YOUR cONCERN MEANS A LOT TO ThE PEPOPLE WHO CONSIDER THEMSELVES FORGOTTEN BY THE WORLD.
THIS IS ABOUT HUMAN CARE, WE HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE THROWING MONEy,- NOT NEEDED, WHAT IS NEEDEd, IS COMPASSION... BEEING RESPECTED AS HUMAN BEEIngs, NOT sad cases to be pampered ,THAt IS WHAT MAtters to us
thanks again tanja and the sihanoukville gang
ECXCUSE SPELLIMG, AN WORKING BY CANDLE LIGHT,, CAN I GET THEREBY CANDLELIGHT OR IS IT.. ( OK BAD JOKE)
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Re: Siem Reap Instability

Postby RC » Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:25 am

bonne chance tanja. Take care.
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Re: Siem Reap Instability

Postby tan » Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:09 am

hI RC, THANKSFOR MAILING,
NICE TO MEET SOMEBODY WHO KNOWS About OUR COUNTRY.
sihanouk abdicated october last year and made his son, the choreograpeher king.
we are very relieved he did so, Ranarrith, another son who heads the funcipec party could have gotten the job, and he wanted it badly. had King norodom sihanouk made him king,we would have a very bad time indeed now, most likely another civil war.
bong,as my dutch friends would say, so far so good,
as an expat lady of e is one thing: no iwill not get rich, maybe make a simple living,but what i can afford and will do is give people a chance by giving them an education and maybe a future. be subversive to ngo' s if you want to make a differnece don 't write reports and drive svu"s to the next girlie bar... a grassroot movement helps, as our starfish in s' ville that we invented many years ago, still gooing strong (though i am not involved with them anymore, no great light when it comes to taking a' chair' i' ain't...)
incidentaly last week i was in bkk, and spoke to a guy from the un about micro projejts, like starfish, oh- he said, we are just realizing that maybe the way to go is not THE GLOBAL THING but micro projects...
boyo, i'm a chef, and a designer, you studied to become an ngo and it takes bozos like us to figure things out....
to be fair he was very nice about my outburst.
again thanks for posting
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sorry about spelling still on candlelight....
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Re: Siem Reap Instability

Postby RC » Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:22 am

ah well, see how much I know! :)
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Re: Siem Reap Instability

Postby tan » Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:49 am

aah, if only you were right!.. about the written off part...
they found oil on our side of the gulf of siam.. (rights by texaco)...will we wind up as a suburb?
we are worried, the American embassy in phnom penh is build anew, and oooh it is big and safe and, why would a written off country like us need a block and a half worth of embassy???
( our sense of humor is on the dark side, a friend suggested to advertise cambo in the village voice as a country where you are still allowed to smoke, everywhere,.- powell criticised hun sen our president for smoking on tv.. )
angkor is great, so are the other temples.worth a visit anytime, but there is more to this country than that....
whenever i get a chance i take my old (well ancient actually) honda rebbel for an adventure,an keep finding the wildest things, praeankorian shrines, animals thought to be extinct- in the cardamoms mainly, imaginea whole moutain range spanning the west side of the country that nobody ever took the time to study...or even explore...
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Re: Siem Reap Instability

Postby RC » Fri Jun 17, 2005 5:38 pm

I would be absolutely thrilled to hear all about your adventures. It sounds spectacular!

I didn't know much of anything about Cambodia until I wrote a college paper about the coincidence of spiritual pyramid building in different cultures. I got happily side tracked for awhile in Cambodia and my interest was peaked again by my husband who picks the neatest books for gifts!

My husband visited as a child just before all hell broke loose. I met him AFTER I got interested and I'm envious of his travels. He bought the book about Cambodia as appeasment I'm sure.

So please do tell. I need details - this is my vicarious adventure.
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Re: Siem Reap Instability

Postby tan » Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:23 pm

What kind of book did your husband give you?
for almost twenty years -before moving here i collected anything and everything about south east asia and cambo in particular.
Getting the library into cambo was hell! after about six month of waiting and paying bribes, we finally got to the customs depot: just books for charity we said, the customs officer rummaged in one of the boxes missing a pornographic ashtray given to me by a dear friend only by inches. ( our female cleaning staff has been trying to hide the thing ever since)
in the end we got the books out, they reside now in my guesthouse for the use of our guests, sadly some were stolen, still my staff and me do think we should keep them available, books are for using not for show.
our guesthouse is on a small hill overlooking the ocean, the street looks like something out of a western, horses replaced by motorbikes. Motors, the donkeys of seasia. Most places are guesthouses cafes restaurants, etc, half of the businesses owned by barangs ( generic word for forreigner, derived from the thai farang- derived from the word french)the other half by khmers. we get along great, the odd bad egg won't last long in an environment where you need each others help.(any night you can see guesthouse and bar owners running along the street with bottles of booze or heaving barrels of beer to neighbours who run short).Little carts sell fruit or bapaos and other delicacies, like a row of frogs on a stick for example. there is one lady, well rounded, big big smile on her face and on her head a tray with sticky rice pakkets rolled in bananaleaf. Every time i try to photograph her, she - unfortunately poses, and the smile vanishes. when i asked her why she stopped smiling all of a sudden, she replied ' but taking pictures is serious business after all? isn' t it'
the town is called sihanoukville and is the only seaport in cambodia, in the old days it was called and sometimes still is- kompong soam.( it is the place where the treaty that made cambodia a french protectorate (not colony, it never was, as the french like to pretend)- was signed.
Snookyville or loonyville as the guys from pp call it is pretty ugly, still it grows on you.
the beaches are nice,the main street has an unfinished look, not undeserved: they were still building it into a resort town when the war started.
one hotel the IndependaNCE (NO SPELLING MISTAKE) WAS FINISHED, VERY FIFTIES,VERY RETRO. DURING THE KR DAYS IT WAS USED AS A PRISON, THEN A GANG OF PIRATES made it their home, about ten years ago the place was cleared out.
before they started restoring it we and our guests happily roamed the premises,the shining comes to mind, enormous chandeliers and loose glasspannels rattlig in the breeze, sometimes we could have sworn somebody was there, nobody was ever seen.
we enjoyed visiting the state room where catherine de neuve and jaqueline Kennedy once stayed, always wondering how they would have fit into the minuscule bathtubs, well maybe they took showers..
another fun trip in the neighbourhood is taking the bikes 25km over dirt tracks to a fishing village called stung hau, a wild ride eighter dusty or muddy, every one of us fell off at least once after one of our stung hau sunday seafood lunches, eaten right by the fishing poort in a hut seated on plastic chairs, the floor dirt, the hygiene more than questionable strange as it may sound, nobody ever got sick.
until a year ago there were a few forgotten russian submarines rusting a way in a dockyard. it was great fun to take along a big breasted blonde in a tank top , leave her with the guards to be oggled while we happily raided the boats.( radiohelmets, russian gun manuals from the seventies a seismogrhaph, some pravdeas) not a nice thing to do? right. was it not that we knew - and they did it- last year they thrashed the boats,for junk metal,otherwise these things would be lost...
with or without submarines, we love this little place forgotten by time, wide streets comprised of
sand/ mud and sadly, thrash. the houses are the khmer style wodden stilted ones, most with palmthatch,
with big front yards full of coconut palms, flowers and pink bougainvilles.
sorry rc, hope i did not bore you too much with snookyville, have to go to the guesthouse and work..
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Re: Siem Reap Instability

Postby tan » Sat Jun 18, 2005 8:15 am

hi JC,
will go on writing if you want me to....
thought to start with our imediate surroundings, and then tell you about the rest.cexpand thus-getting an idea about day to day life here takes some getting used to.. so my friends and neighbours have one request: if we go on writing this, would it be a terrible problem to change the name from ' unrest in seam reap to ' exppresso kamuchea,' ???
more appropriate we think, the name derived from a coffee shop that belongs to a friend, where we get toghterer between shifts and exchange information???
as time goes by you will meet all of us and our live on a day to day base, should you be interested please let us know,\
see i am not the only one to put this together, i just write it down... tan..
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Re: Siem Reap Instability

Postby shostakovich » Sat Jun 18, 2005 9:00 am

Hi Tan. I enjoy your stories and your sense of humor. It seems "your" is plural, from the last note. Start your own thread, and call it anything you want. Click "New Topic" to start.

I also liked the comment: "THIS IS ABOUT HUMAN CARE, WE HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE THROWING MONEy,- NOT NEEDED, WHAT IS NEEDEd, IS COMPASSION... BEEING RESPECTED AS HUMAN BEEIngs, NOT sad cases to be pampered ,THAt IS WHAT MAtters to us"

It's a lesson this country has ignored with regularity. Got a problem? Throw money at it. No need to think. No need to feel. One of my pet peeves is the decline of public education over the last 30 years. Money has not improved things (well before Bush ---- although his system of testing and punishing doesn't help either). Remarkably, the system could be vastly improved at little or no cost.

1) Develop a core curriculum throughout the country using the same texts. This would be a unifying factor for the nation. For local color, have the states also select books EVEN IF THEY CONFLICT WITH CORE BOOKS. That should stimulate some thinking.
2) Make sure students fulfill uniform minimum requirements before passing on to the next grade (while keeping expectations at a much higher level). No "social promotion". That alone ruins education.
3) Insist on proper behavior during school time, and give parents little or no say in what happens in school. Televise classrooms for future reference, if needed. Uniforms in school are not a bad idea.

OK, uniforms and TV monitors will cost money.

( Getting off soap box now)

Just one more thing. I didn't know about Cambodian oil or a gigantic US Embassy. Fantastic coincidence.
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Re: Siem Reap Instability

Postby RC » Sat Jun 18, 2005 6:42 pm

tan,
In case you had not yet spotted it, Shapley has created your new thread. We can abandon this one with the irrelevant title.

I'm just giggling like a kid. Can hardly wait for episode two.
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