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Re: Bombs strike terror in London

Postby lliam » Fri Jul 29, 2005 6:46 am

The UK 'Intifada'
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A new word and vision is spreading through the highly efficient Muslim youth grapevine in Britain - "Intifada". Within days of the emergence of home-grown Islamic suicide bombers, the underlying pool of sympathy for such individuals is combining with rapidly growing resentment against increased police stop-and-search pressure, and the fear and suspicion being displayed by many non-Muslims, to create an aggressive siege mentality in many heavily Islamic parts of the UK. The concern over the shoot-to-kill policy for suicide bomb suspects among older Muslims is closer to paranoia among younger ones. Police raids and patrols in search of terrorists - despite being wholly legitimate and essential - are also stoking up hatred. More fuel is also being piled on the funeral pyre of multi-cultural Britain by fantasy stories by supposedly 'responsible' spokesmen such as Shahid Malik MP. Inflammatory nonsense The result of such inflammatory nonsense is all too predictable: Even among young Muslims who do not openly support the terror jihad (and the experience of our members who have to live in or near 'their' areas is that far more sympathise with the attacks than we are allowed to know) there is a growing militancy. Listen to almost any of the Muslim teenagers who have just broken up from school and you'll hear views along the following lines: "We've got to get ready for the police /army. If they come in here to attack our homes and our mosques we must fight back. We've got to organise before it's too late. This is our own Intifada against the Crusader oppressors. Let's show them that we can fight as well as the Palestinians do against the Jews." Of course, no one is going to attack their homes and mosques, but such fears - created mainly by years of media hysteria over alleged white racism - are real. Some of the tough talking which results is, in all probability, mere juvenile bravado. But not all of it: The petrol bombs, fireworks, broken bricks and high-powered torches (for dazzling opposing police officers) that were stockpiled in advance of the 2001 riots will soon be gathered again, but this time in many more places, and probably with added refinements as well. The only question that remains is where the first spark will drop into the powder keg. It will not be anything to do with the police/army, but it is now surely a question not of 'if', but 'when'.
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Re: Bombs strike terror in London

Postby DavidS » Fri Jul 29, 2005 8:04 am

Originally posted by lliam:
Originally posted by DavidS:
[qb] the guy in question jumped the barrier whilst being chased by plain clothed police.
So he probably thought he was being set upon by common criminals. Even if the detectives had identified themselves properly, the language barrier might have prevented him from submitting to a legal check in the light of the known situation.
And how many bobbies know how to distinguish between Arabic, Urdu and Portuguese? Especially in the present paranoid circumstances.
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Re: Bombs strike terror in London

Postby DavidS » Fri Jul 29, 2005 8:09 am

Originally posted by lliam:
The UK 'Intifada'
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A new word and vision is spreading through the highly efficient Muslim youth grapevine in Britain - "Intifada"...
What you describe is the utter fragmentation of society.
What can be done to restore sanity?
The alternative is self-destruction of humanity! :eek:
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Re: Bombs strike terror in London

Postby lliam » Fri Jul 29, 2005 8:16 am

[QUOTE]So he probably thought he was being set upon by common criminals.

Maybe, but, he was told to, 'STOP! POLICE'. Since the incident it has surfaced that he was here illegally, his permits where 2 yrs out of date.

Because he was wearing a large heavy coat on such a warm day he was suspected of being a suicide bomber.
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Re: Bombs strike terror in London

Postby DavidS » Fri Jul 29, 2005 8:38 am

Originally posted by lliam:
Maybe, but, he was told to, 'STOP! POLICE'. Since the incident it has surfaced that he was here illegally, his permits where 2 yrs out of date. Because he was wearing a large heavy coat on such a warm day he was suspected of being a suicide bomber.
If that's the case - and I don't know if the final enquiry report has been published - then the coppers involved aren't so much to blame, are they? Just a terrible tragic coincidence.

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Re: Bombs strike terror in London

Postby mmichaelson » Fri Jul 29, 2005 10:02 am

David - I agree. If he had nothing to hide, he shouldn't have run, especially since the officers were brandishing weapons. Stop and let them tell you what they need.
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Re: Bombs strike terror in London

Postby BigJon@Work » Fri Jul 29, 2005 1:27 pm

Let the deportations begin.
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Re: Bombs strike terror in London

Postby lliam » Sat Jul 30, 2005 5:22 am

Originally posted by BigJon@Work:
Let the deportations begin.
Hear, hear. :D
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Re: Bombs strike terror in London

Postby Marye » Wed Aug 17, 2005 5:34 pm

Originally posted by DavidS:
Originally posted by lliam:
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Maybe, but, he was told to, 'STOP! POLICE'. Since the incident it has surfaced that he was here illegally, his permits where 2 yrs out of date. Because he was wearing a large heavy coat on such a warm day he was suspected of being a suicide bomber.
If that's the case - and I don't know if the final enquiry report has been published - then the coppers involved aren't so much to blame, are they? Just a terrible tragic coincidence. [/b]
The discrepancies
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Re: Bombs strike terror in London

Postby Nicole Marie » Wed Aug 17, 2005 6:08 pm

Read the link Marye posted. There is a bit of hysteria surrounding this. The police (and media) seemed to have gone a bit to far on this one. They could have detained him clearly, not killed him.
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Re: Bombs strike terror in London

Postby piqaboo » Thu Aug 18, 2005 12:43 pm

Originally posted by Saxy Buff:
David - I agree. If he had nothing to hide, he shouldn't have run, especially since the officers were brandishing weapons. Stop and let them tell you what they need.
He did have something to hide - he was in the country illegally. He must have panicked if that was what he was trying to hide, since clearly the coppers saw him leave his place of residence, so they could always have found him again, had he managed to run away that time.
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Re: Bombs strike terror in London

Postby piqaboo » Thu Aug 18, 2005 12:50 pm

Some problems with that list of discrepancies.
It seems to say that a surveillance guy was holding Mr M into his seat at the very same time that Mr M was shot in the head.

Do cops often shoot with one of their own standing so near?

Would someone who was evading muggers walk calmly into a tube station, stop for a paper, etc, without trying to alert someone that he was afraid of being mugged by men with machine guns? Maybe, but seems really weird to me.

Never-the-less, its awful he was killed. Ouch for his family.


This occurred while we were in Britain and got a TON of coverage at the time.
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Re: Bombs strike terror in London

Postby Marye » Thu Aug 18, 2005 1:46 pm

The documents say that a post-mortem examination showed Mr Menezes had been shot seven times in the head and once in the shoulder, but that three other bullets had missed him.
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Re: Bombs strike terror in London

Postby lliam » Fri Aug 19, 2005 6:30 am

Police shooting - the discrepancies
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On one hand we have eye witnesses, The Initial account.

On the other hand we have , The Leaked evidence.

After reading the report I'm left wondering, will we ever learn the real truth?
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