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Re: Bombs strike terror in London

Postby Haggis@wk » Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:26 pm

"Haggis has several times said "they" all need to be killed. I hope he meant "terrorist" and not "Muslim". I'm disgustingly non-violent myself, but I see no option to killing terrorists. Sad to say. "

Trust me Shos, I'm violent minded enough to make up for any timidity on your part.

You have to remember the 28 years of my life was dedicated to "breaking things and killing people" in a frighteningly methodical manner.

Re: "terrorist" vs. "Muslim," you make a valid point. Although actually I'm pretty blood thirsty towards anyone who would harm the United States or its citizens.

If the "Arab street" doesn't start taking responsibility for policing what is being done in the name of its religion, then the West will and that would probably be bad for the Muslim world.

There are any number of Americans looking at that fence in Israel and thinking that if the Israelis can do it, why can't the U.S.?

As I said, if the West does do the policing for the Muslim world it won't be pretty but it will be effective.

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Re: Bombs strike terror in London

Postby Serenity » Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:01 pm

Originally posted by bignaf:
the only thing i came up with: there are 4 different schools of thought in Sunni Islam (medhhabs) they follow teachings of four different Imams, they aren't really different sects, as they all believe that they are all different versions of the correct way. maybe each bomber represent a different medhhab?
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Re: Bombs strike terror in London

Postby Serenity » Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:19 pm

Haggis, are you ready to step across the line?
I think you have before.
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just do it...
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Re: Bombs strike terror in London

Postby Serenity » Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:20 pm

(demicrats are WEAK!)


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Re: Bombs strike terror in London

Postby Serenity » Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:24 pm

Shapley regurgitates....

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"How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat!?"

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Re: Bombs strike terror in London

Postby Shapley » Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:31 pm

Oh! Quit being such a brick! :D
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Re: Bombs strike terror in London

Postby Serenity » Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:36 pm

I'm sorry Shap and Haggis, I really can't help myself! Does anyone know how to stop being a brick (in the wall)?
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Re: Bombs strike terror in London

Postby Serenity » Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:43 pm

Friday anger starting to peak!
heave, heave, heave...AAAAAARRRRGGH!

This focused anger crap isn't working.......excuse me while I bust up the garage............
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Re: Bombs strike terror in London

Postby lliam » Fri Jul 15, 2005 8:01 pm

Pig skins
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In Israel the police used to pick up the remains of suicide bombers and place them inside a pig skin. They were then cremated in that pig skin. This happened until the liberals and politicians demanded the Israeli state cease doing it. This was done as the terrorists then knew they cannot reach heaven. Therefore this removed the incentive of the terrorist to undertake suicide bombings if they were not going to get their heavenly reward for it.
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Re: Bombs strike terror in London

Postby Selma in Sandy Eggo » Sat Jul 16, 2005 1:41 am

Originally posted by Serenity:
Friday anger starting to peak!
I think maybe the meds, or the garage renovation, have taken the edge off? Perhaps we'll hear tomorrow.
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Re: Bombs strike terror in London

Postby haggis » Sat Jul 16, 2005 9:40 am

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

George Orwell

A wall protects as well Serenity, think about those "bricks" the next time you see them in uniform.

Fortunately, you are too weird to engender resentment


Here’s a “brick” story with video.

Want to guess why you won't see this piece on the news????

"During a routine patrol in Baghdad June 2, Army Pfc. Stephen Tschiderer, a medic, was shot in the chest by an enemy sniper, hiding in a van just 75 yards away. The incident was filmed by the insurgents. Tschiderer, with E Troop, 101st “Saber” Cavalry Division, attached to 3rd Battalion, 156th Infantry Regiment, 256th Brigade Combat Team, 3rd Infantry Division, was knocked to the ground from the impact, but he popped right back up, took cover and located the enemy’s position.

After tracking down the now-wounded sniper with a team from B Company, 4th Battalion, 1st Iraqi Army Brigade, Tschiderer secured the terrorist with a pair of handcuffs and gave medical aid to the terrorist who’d tried to kill him just minutes before.
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Re: Bombs strike terror in London

Postby hal 9000 » Sat Jul 16, 2005 9:31 pm

Originally posted by Haggis:
...Here’s a “brick” story with video.

Want to guess why you won't see this piece on the news????

Not going to venture a guess but I thought you might find this interesting. As I type this post, CNN is reporting this very story. I am curious though, why did you think they wouldn't?
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Re: Bombs strike terror in London

Postby DavidS » Thu Jul 21, 2005 4:07 pm

Latest outrage story:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/attackonlondon/story/0,16132,1533382,00.html
The human side - tributes by people who knew last time's victims - read it & cry:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/attackonlondon/tributes
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Re: Bombs strike terror in London

Postby Haggis@wk » Mon Jul 25, 2005 10:32 am

"As I type this post, CNN is reporting this very story. I am curious though, why did you think they wouldn't?"

That's a rhetorical question, right?

I’m glad they did, but the story has been around since mid-June on the internet and they got around to reporting it in mid-July? I’m surprised they reported a month old story.

All in all I think that the main stream media are avoiding any reporting that shows our troops in a good light and only report the bad news and deaths of American service members.


I would have replied earlier but I’ve been gone with no access to the internet.
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Re: Bombs strike terror in London

Postby bignaf » Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:56 am

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Re: Bombs strike terror in London

Postby Marye » Mon Jul 25, 2005 5:21 pm

So Shos, "the killing of terrorists... there is no option." I guess the issue is then to make sure the man you are shooting to death is one.

Police shot Brazilian eight times

Mr Menezes had been in London for more than three years
The man mistaken for a suicide bomber by police was shot eight times, an inquest into his death has heard.
Brazilian Jean Charles de Menezes, 27, was shot seven times in the head and once in the shoulder, at Stockwell Tube station, south London, on Friday.
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Re: Bombs strike terror in London

Postby Selma in Sandy Eggo » Mon Jul 25, 2005 7:14 pm

Originally posted by shostakovich:
I'm disgustingly non-violent myself, but I see no option to killing terrorists. Sad to say.
Originally posted by Marye:
So Shos, "the killing of terrorists... there is no option."
<Ahem> That's not exactly the same thing, is it now? It IS similar. Approximately as similar as, say, a Brazilian electrician carrying a toolbag is to a Middle Eastern terrorist carrying a satchel bomb.

I think we need better target identification techniques. The local border patrol is playing with a nifty one that has a huge database of people they don't want in the country, plus facial recognition stuff that helps them know one of those faces just arrived at their post - it's still experimental and quite pricey.

I'm inclined to agree with Shos, as he originally stated his position on proper disposition of terrorists, and I think we do need to help our domestic peacekeepers to correctly identify them. Helpless hand-wringing, disapproval, alarm, and dismay are of no practical use to anybody.
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Re: Bombs strike terror in London

Postby hal 9000 » Mon Jul 25, 2005 7:49 pm

Originally posted by Haggis@wk:
"As I type this post, CNN is reporting this very story. I am curious though, why did you think they wouldn't?"

That's a rhetorical question, right?

I’m glad they did, but the story has been around since mid-June on the internet and they got around to reporting it in mid-July? I’m surprised they reported a month old story.

All in all I think that the main stream media are avoiding any reporting that shows our troops in a good light and only report the bad news and deaths of American service members.


I would have replied earlier but I’ve been gone with no access to the internet.
No, the question was not meant to be rhetorical. I meant what about the story did you think would cause CNN (I won't comment on the rest of the mainstream media because CNN is the only source I watch consistently enough to know what type of stories they report) to shy away from reporting that story?

Though I do not believe they select their stories on the basis of whether it makes the situation look worse than it is, for arguments sake I'll assume they do. That story shows in full detail how bad the situation is. Our servicemen are in constant danger over there and that story only magnifies that fact (an insurgent videotape apparently filmed as a 'training aid' on how to kill American troops using sniper techniques). Reporting how Army Pfc. Stephen Tschiderer went on to heroically face that situation does not take away from the fact that the danger exists.

The way I see it, that story serves to tell two stories... one of the bad situation in Iraq and the other of how our GI's are serving with the highest of honor in that situation. The MSM may be against the war effort, but I have no doubt that they are not against the troops serving their duty there.
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Re: Bombs strike terror in London

Postby lliam » Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:42 am

Police shooting: Too high a price to pay
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It must be pretty difficult being a commuter in London these days. Although millions of commuters are going about their daily business as if nothing has happened, there is a real concern certainly by many outside the capital that London is just not safe anymore. According to former Metropolitan Police chief, Sir John Stevens, an estimated 3000 Islamic extremists are lurking in Britain, having returned in recent years from terror training camps in Afghanistan and the Middle East ready to continue the work already started by their co-religionists. That is a major threat that needs to be addressed. However one method of addressing that threat which was employed to tragic effect on Friday poses as great a danger to the people of Britain as any suicide bomber. Sir Ian Blair, top cop at the Met says that more innocent people are likely to be shot by his officers yet there appears to be no political or public outrage at this suggestion. The statement that British police officers are likely to shoot more innocent citizens should be viewed with utter amazement, horror and revulsion. Perhaps we are too numbed from the shock that nearly 60 people were murdered by suicide bombers to take in what Sir Ian has announced? British police have a very difficult job to perform; the officers on the front line exemplify professionalism, dedication and have to deal with those episodes of horror and evil, which few of us not in the police service will ever encounter. The facts of the case are still emerging but it would appear that the police gave chase to a man who lived in a block of flats that was under surveillance. There was no suggestion that the man himself was a suspect for the bombings or any other crime. He was a recent immigrant from Brazil, a country whose own police force uses some very questionable and controversial tactics; he used Portuguese as his first language and had been recently mugged in the Stockwell area. His actions, after being shouted at by what might have appeared to him another gang of muggers, might in the circumstances be perfectly rational. He ran and if a British tourist in Rio de Janeiro was suddenly confronted by three rather scruffy looking men armed with machine guns shouting hurriedly in Portuguese, he might well too act impulsively and run for his life. The 27 year old electrician from Brazil did not look anything like the four terrorists who failed to blow up devices last Thursday, which the police are hunting, all of whom are reported to be of East African origin. The man was not even of Middle Eastern appearance, southern European perhaps but certainly not Pakistani or Middle Eastern. The pictures of Jean Charles de Menezes in today’s newspapers and on the Internet show a white skinned, dark haired man who would not have looked out of place in Madrid, Marseilles or Milan. Of course there is no justification for the police to shoot anyone based merely on their appearance but racial profiling of likely suspects really does need to be employed by the security services. Men and women of distinctly British and European appearance are not likely to be Islamic suicide bombers. Men and women of far east Asian, Japanese and Koreans are not likely to be Islamic suicide bombers and men and women of Amerindian appearance (not that we have many Amazonian Indians wandering around the place) are not likely to be Islamic suicide bombers. One could add that Sikhs and Hindus, many of whom chose to wear their traditional dress are not likely to be suicide bombers and if a police officer has not been trained to distinguish between Sikhs, Hindus, Koreans and other “Asians”, the diversity training courses need to be beefed up with some proper lessons in anthropological science instead of sociological waffle.Similarly, wasting police time searching the bags of whites, Chinese and other overwhelmingly non-Islamic peoples, is a politically correct farce that puts everybody at greater risk - including non-hostile Asian and black Muslims. Politicians from the Labour-Islam axis are quick to say that this is a price we have to pay; innocent people may well get shot 5 times in the head by a police team, or searched without any reason, but that is the price we all have to pay for our collective safety. What nonsense – does this not show just how much contempt the Labour politicians have for the electorate, the taxpayers who pay for their bullet proof limousines, their 24/7 personal protection officers and bomb proof grace and favour residences? Britons live in one of the most tightly regulated societies on the planet. There is hardly any aspect of our own lives, which is not subject to regulation, authority, legislation and control. Multi-racial and multi-cultural societies do not just come together naturally. They have to be brought into existence by legislation and thereafter tightly controlled with strong enforcement. We have already had to pay a very high price for multi-culturalism with our ancient centuries old legal system being twisted and perverted to such an extent that in issues of alleged racial discrimination, those accused are now guilty until proven innocent. We have already had a very high price to pay for multi-racialism with our ancient liberties such as freedom of association, freedom of expression and freedom of speech, taken away in the name of progress and tolerance. Now in our 21st century capital Londoners and visitors alike are used to daily seeing armed officers on the streets. In just 40 years Britain’s police have gone from truncheon to Heckler and Koch, from bicycles to armoured cars. Tolerating a small minority of fundamentalist extremists because we have, apparently, to respect their faith and their culture is all well and good but when the price is having to risk suicide bombers on one side and professional assassins in police uniform on the other, that is a price too great and many of us are simply not prepared to pay up. The entire dismantling of the multi-cultural edifice must be the ultimate goal; every daft piece of repressive legislation has to go, every statute and order which stifles free speech has to be repealed, every agency and organisation which enforces the multi-culti system has to be consigned to the history books. Given a choice between living in a repressive multi-faith society, where I am likely to be either blown up by a fellow passenger on a train or bus, or where I am likely to be shot by a trigger happy police officer because I never heard his shouts and the alternative of living in a society made up predominantly of my own people, where if I see an unattended item of luggage I am more likely to see if the owner has left her name on it than to report it as a suspicious device, where police officers pound the beat and carry nothing more lethal than a notebook and a set of handcuffs, then really there is no choice – common sense and one’s innate survival instinct leads us to make the correct decision.
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Re: Bombs strike terror in London

Postby Haggis@wk » Tue Jul 26, 2005 7:09 am

"but I have no doubt that they are not against the troops serving their duty there."

Based on the overwhelming available evidence, I have to disagree. I believe there is an active dislike of anything military and a deliberate attempt to portray the military as negatively as possible.

Eason Jordan, former head of CNN and Linda Foley, president of the Newspaper Guild, both said this year that American troops were targeting journalists but then didn't provide any evidence of that.

Did you realize that the NYT devoted more front page stories to Abu Ghraib than 9/11?

So yes, I believe that the MSM is deliberately angling for stories that show American troops in the worst possible light, including stories of their actions that fit the MSM preconceived notions that the military is the enemy in this war.

There is lots of good news coming out of Iraq but if you don’t know where to look you won’t see it. You darn sure won’t see it in any of the MSM.
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