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:confused:Originally posted by Haggis@wk:
There is lots of good news coming out of Iraq but if you don’t know where to look you won’t see it. You darn sure won’t see it in any of the MSM.
No I did not realize this. Guess that has something to do with the fact that I don't read the NYT. How many front page stories did they devote to each? How many Special Editions did they devote to each?Originally posted by Haggis@wk:
Did you realize that the NYT devoted more front page stories to Abu Ghraib than 9/11?
What worries me is the question: Do the majority of Muslims sincerely believe that apostates who do not convert must be killed?Originally posted by Haggis@wk:
they are killing us because in their teaching we were born apostates and unless we convert to their religion they will continue killing us.
Selma, you are quite right: the proper term is "infidel" (would that be another reason why Cuba has been suspected of harbouring terrorists? - but that one must have grown a long beard... )Originally posted by Selma in Sandy Eggo:
[grammatical quibble] Apostate: One who has abandoned one's religious faith, a political party, one's principles, or a cause. [/grammatical quibble]
Crusades and forced conversion (inquisition) were once features of other faiths as well, which have clearly grown out of it, so maybe there is still hope.It's my understanding that Islam is inherently more militant than many other faiths. Jihad and forced conversion were early features of Islam, and have apparently been always considered proper.
The converse is unfortunately also true.The things that we consider virtues are what they find most abhorrent.
But (again) what proportion of Muslims in the world have such an extreme outlook?That's what scares me worst.
Yes, and the italicized part of the above quote isn't a negative position?Originally posted by Haggis:
I'm taking bets, how soon will a prominent Democrat start complaining that we're pulling out too soon?
That's the problem when you decide to take a negative position on everything the president's administration says, sometimes it'll get you in trouble!
I'm posting this story . I'm not posting it for it's primary focus although it certainly seems to bear on Haggis' comment about the Egyptian bombing, but because it also reports briefly on the matter in hal's link.Originally posted by hal 9000:
Here is some really Good News coming out of Iraq. Let's hope it is true.
Hi Dave, sorry I've only just seen your message, the guy in question jumped the barrier whilst being chased by plain clothed police.Originally posted by DavidS:
It is not difficult to understand the dilemma you, I, and everyone in the civilised world faces.
Just for the record, did the poor bloke killed so tragically by the police jump the barrier before, or after, being apprehended?
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