Hurricane Rita

[Shapley]

OT,

For what it's worth, I should point out that the CONCAP agreement, under which the Navy has employed KBR/Halliburton, and under which the current projects are being done, was awarded through the competitive bidding process.

Not every contract awarded to KBR or Halliburton is no-bid. I'm not sure what percentage of their contracts are no-bid, but I expect it is a very small number. Domestic contracts are most likely competitive-bid projects.

V/R
Shapley

[BigJon@Work]

As a public company it is all just an edgar away. Do your own homework.

[piqaboo]

Chop Li, I can not believe you gave away the belly-secret secret of the Hawaiian shirt! Had you not de- err..moved, the MIB would surely force you to now that your 'cover' is blown. - s.a. Piq Aboud

[BigJon@Work]

Oh! And by the way OT, the Halliburton picture ain't pretty.

[OperaTenor]

Originally posted by BigJon@Work:
Oh! And by the way OT, the Halliburton picture ain't pretty.

Hmm, I didn't realize nearly doubling in share price over the last twelve months constitutes a picture that "ain't pretty". If that's the case, what would you consider to be good performance, an increase by a factor of ten?!

Lemme know what stock that is so I can buy.

Halliburton's share price chart for the past twelve months



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[Haggis@wk]

Yeah, it's all down to timing.

If the Administration had given all that money to KBR/HB while the hurricane was coming then all those critic would have applauded the foresight and response...not!

If the government used the "competitive bid" process, they'd be opening those envelopes sometimes around Jan 2006 and then the legal challenges would hold up the process for another 6 - 9 months.....and then it would have been awarded to Halliburton or Bechtel.

Bechtel's another paragon of post disaster reconstruction and large scale unique construction. (you weirdo's on the Left coast are still paying the bills for the cost over-runs at the San Onofre nuclear power plant in northern San Diego County where Bechtel installed one of the reactors backwards.)

The problem is that Halliburton (and Bechtel) are about the only companies that will invest huge sums in capital equipment and infrastructure that they know might lay idle for years or decades.

I was first introduced to KBR in Somalia where they ran the entire boring infrastructure for the military and I was glad to have them. I enjoyed the hot meals they served and the laundry service. ESPECIALLY the laundry service!!

You DON'T want to know what our laundry practice was before they took over other than the definition of "practice"...."To do or perform habitually or customarily" was a slight exaggeration.

I thought it was interesting that during the Clinton Presidency Halliburton was awarded 2.2 billion dollars in no bid government contracts.

They were also praised by VP Gore as a "model of efficiency among government contractors" (I may have screwed that quote up a little but that was the gist of it).

And this was during a time when our most significant conflicts were Somalia, Haiti and the Balkans... nothing like the multi-theater war we’re fighting now.

Can anyone tell me who Halliburton's competition would be (other than Bechtel, of course)?

Hmmm, thanks for the stock tip, but I think they lost almost a Bil over the last few years so I suspect those pigeons might be flying home. I'll look into the stock analysts predictions further and let you know.

[Selma in Sandy Eggo]

One small point. Without disputing or supporting Haggis' remarks, I'd like to add that Gore is the fella who took credit for the Internet, and who also arranged for the current paperless state of the Federal government.

[OperaTenor]

Originally posted by Selma in Sandy Eggo:
One small point. Without disputing or supporting Haggis' remarks, I'd like to add that Gore is the fella who took credit for the Internet, and who also arranged for the current paperless state of the Federal government.

At least no one died needlessly as a result...

[Selma in Sandy Eggo]

Originally posted by OperaTenor:
At least no one died needlessly as a result...

Do I hear that Cindy nitwit whining?

[Shapley]

Selma:

RE: Cindy Nitwit.

She met with Senator McCain yesteday. She called him a war-monger.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170611,00.html

V/R
Shapley

[OperaTenor]

Still from a conservative source, but without the Faux spin:

Sheehan, McCain meet, still at odds on Iraq war

"Do I hear that Cindy nitwit whining?"

That's right, I forgot: If I don't toe Der Fuehrer's party line about the war, I'm an idiot and a whiner. We no longer live in the America where dissent is not only respected, but welcomed as part of the discourse and conduct of our system of government.

I wonder if you(rhetorical) would feel differently if it was your child who was offered as a sacrifice to the gods of oil?

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[Shapley]

OT,

You will note that I never resorted to such terms regarding Ms. Sheehan, until she made her remarks about "occupied New Orleans" and hurricane Katrina being Bush's fault because he wasn't a good Christian. I think those knocked her down a few notches on the "intelligent discourse" scale.

Besides, you've called Brown a "liar", an "incompetent" and a "whiner". I'd be careful with that brush.

V/R
Shapley

[Selma in Sandy Eggo]

There's reasoned discourse, there's difference of opinion, and there's monotonous whining. You may choose your tone. And your description.

[OperaTenor]

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[Haggis@wk]

and "whining" spelled backwards is "gninihw"!!!

[Selma in Sandy Eggo]

Originally posted by Haggis@wk:
gninihw!!!

???Pronunciation???

[Trumpetmaster]

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Originally posted by Haggis@wk:
gninihw!!!

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[OperaTenor]

First, Shap, the comment wasn't directed at you. Selma, by inference, called me a whining nitwit, and my reply was to that.

Selma, as for "There's reasoned discourse, there's difference of opinion, and there's monotonous whining. You may choose your tone. And your description.", I didn't, you did.

Perhaps before you go on your condescension trip, you may want to get your facts straight:

Snopes on Al Gore's internet comment

" Despite the derisive references that continue even today, Al Gore did not claim he 'invented' the Internet, nor did he say anything that could reasonably be interpreted that way. The 'Al Gore said he 'invented' the Internet' put-downs were misleading, out-of-context distortions of something he said during an interview with Wolf Blitzer on CNN's 'Late Edition' program on 9 March 1999. When asked to describe what distinguished him from his challenger for the Democratic presidential nomination, Senator Bill Bradley of New Jersey, Gore replied (in part):

'During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system.'

Clearly, although Gore's phrasing was clumsy (and perhaps self-serving), he was not claiming that he 'invented' the Internet (in the sense of having designed or implemented it), but that he was responsible, in an economic and legislative sense, for fostering the development of the technology that we now know as the Internet. To claim that Gore was seriously trying to take credit for the 'invention' of the Internet is, frankly, just silly political posturing that arose out of a close presidential campaign. Gore never used the word 'invent,' and the words 'create' and 'invent' have distinctly different meanings — the former is used in the sense of 'to bring about' or 'to bring into existence' while the latter is generally used to signify the first instance of someone's thinking up or implementing an idea. "

Al Gore is probably the most maligned politician in recent history. I thought you were better at knowing the facts than that, but I guess that's why you support President PetroProfits and his war for greed.

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[piqaboo]

I gotta say "create the internet" still sounds as stupid as something Bush would slip up and say.

Piq equal opportunity basher Aboo

[Selma in Sandy Eggo]

Not inferred, implied.

I guess that's why you support President PetroProfits and his war for greed.

And Al Gore is "most maligned"?