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A man of peace or not?

Postby ratsnake » Fri Jan 06, 2006 9:29 am

Man of war or peace?
Hey everyone here’s a different topic I’ll try to put into discussion and before any body reads it I’ll gonna have to ask for some pre requisites: the following would be noticing some political face whose importance ain’t over come that of the Pope himself still could be very decisive in many different respects. Hence I’ll wish all the readers to be having a totally ‘’NEUTRAL’’ view religious or political wise. Please give your ideas based on facts u might know form both sides of the conflicted ground.
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Ariel Sharon is having his probably final days if not on earth least in the reign of power in one of the most complicatedly troubled spots on the planet. The registry of his life time records offers varying information sorted in many different ways radiating a man of honor and peace to a hideous monster with rhetoric of war and destruction who brought the victory of one nation for the price of the misery of the other, or maybe both. He as BBC suggests was the commander who ordered a Palestinian village with over 50 housings enflamed during several military missions in the 50s Arab-Jew wars and was the commencer of the Lebanon war somewhere in 1982, a raid which BBC calls disastrous due the course of the brutal actions took place during the war and the occupation leading to the massacres of the Palestinian refuges in the refuge camps in Sabra and Shatilla. Sharon was exempted form his position in which he had guided the Israeli army into the Lebanese boarders under terms of self-conducted and unnecessary action after standing an Israeli trial, as a minister to the Israeli government. Although Sharon’s political life could have been severely affected by means of the exemption, he still kept his essence of protecting the jewish territories by means of any necessary actions no matter including war or raids targeting Palestinian fighters or civilians which kept his reputation among the Israeli right-wingers. 90s must have been the promised time for him to return to the surface and scout his presence this time with establishing the biggest range of jewish settlements in the Eastern coasts and the Gaza stripes since the year of occupation 1967. If he meant to reproach the peace formalities with the Palestinians this would have definitely been based upon his famous theory on behalf of sharing land and rights in Palestine: most to the Israel and least to the Palestinians. He was placed in the Netanyahu cabinet under the pressure of the 1996-powered rightists till he was elected as the Likud party head, the largest anti-government party who finally won him the title ’’ prime minister’’ of the Israel in 2001. He stepped on the stage while he personally had stated that he does not depend on any pre-emptive talks with the Palestinians. His famous trip to ‘’Dome of Rocks’’ in the Palestinian authorized territory was a sign to his future hopes for the Israelis to gather around a hard-liner like himself in order to crush the years-long Intifada, the anti-Israeli insurgency controlled and organized by the military branch of the Palestinian freedom fighting organization Hamas. in spite of the sufferings from the now and then suicide raiders to the Israeli citizens many believed that Sharon has had a totally not peaceful approach to the rival nation, rather than trying to establish unity and peace among the two. He was the prime minister who began the disputable project of encasement of the Eastern coasts nevertheless the same person who ordered the angry jewish settlers to leave the Gaza stripes and Eastern coasts in the rallies of the rout to peace of President w. Bush amid all the opposition he received from his fellow party-members. Bush called him the man of peace and stability, the notion is not accurately stated due to the man’s political records though. Whether Ariel Sharon lives or dies, the dispute will continue in the middle east until one nation fully overcomes the other I guess. My hopes are as an individual for no man to see such climate of blood shed in his life time, as a member of the world society to have the justice being executed for all who have been treated unjustly; The latter may lead to more clashes how ever. What do you think of Ariel Sharon?
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Re: A man of peace or not?

Postby Shapley » Fri Jan 06, 2006 11:56 am

I can't post, since I don't have a neutral position religiously or politically.
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Re: A man of peace or not?

Postby piqaboo » Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:26 pm

I think he tried things one way, saw they didnt work. Wanted to be in charge. Learned that his way wasnt going to get him put in charge. Changed his approach. Got put in charge. Had some success, re-inforcing his new approach. His stroke & the accompanying change in Israeli leadership will give Palestine an excuse to bow out, yet again, of any agreements regarding peace. I can only hope they will choose not to use the excuse, but their track record strongly suggests otherwise.
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Re: A man of peace or not?

Postby Shapley » Fri Jan 06, 2006 1:17 pm

Piq,

The politics of Isreal and the life of Ariel Sharon are intertwined likes threads in a cloth. Sharon is a man of peace when peace is possible, and a man of war when it isn't. He is a man, like any other, whose decisions are not always right. He is a man, unlike many others, who has always made his decisions based on what he thought best for his people and his country.
Israel will be well served if as much can be said for his successor.

At least, that is my biased opinion. I wish him well.

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Re: A man of peace or not?

Postby OperaTenor » Fri Jan 06, 2006 1:25 pm

Hey Shap, I thought you said you couldn't post.

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Re: A man of peace or not?

Postby Haggis@wk » Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:38 pm

I have to agree with Piq. Quite simply (as poll after poll has confirmed) the Palestinians son't want peace they want the Israelis destroyed; nothing else is acceptable. Look at the last round of peace talks when Clinton was president. The were offered 98% of what they were asking for and Arafat still walked out.

I commented long ago that this is a mess with no good (or even bad) solutions; it's a mess that has only two horrific solutions, at least for the rest of most of our lifetimes.
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Re: A man of peace or not?

Postby Shapley » Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:41 pm

Hi, OT.

When has that ever stopped me? :D

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Re: A man of peace or not?

Postby Trumpetmaster » Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:20 pm

I think Sharon was working hard at having a
Real Peace in the Middle East. We are all Gods children.... and need to learn to "Live Together"

Here's something I came across today.....

http://www.patrobertson.com/PressReleases/ArielSharonPR.asp


The radio here in NY reported that Robertson said
God punished Sharon for giving away Gods land...

I realize we all are entitled to "Free Speech"
but I think Robertson was way out of line here...

IMHO

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Re: A man of peace or not?

Postby Shapley » Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:29 pm

Robertson's been way out of line for quite some time. The White House has spoken out against his statement.

At least he's in good company:

Iran President 'Hopes Sharon Dies'

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Re: A man of peace or not?

Postby treebeau » Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:05 pm

My thought:

If you take his last name and first initial, you have "Sharon A". My my my my !

Guess I just have a "Knack" for this stuff. ;)

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Re: A man of peace or not?

Postby BigJon@Work » Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:18 pm

Ratsnake,

Quoting the Beeb as a neutral and unbiased source in matters of Israel is a little misplaced. They have a pretty strong pro Palestine bias.
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Re: A man of peace or not?

Postby OperaTenor » Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:46 pm

Tim, LOL! :D

As for idiot Robertson(and I don't care how much y'all don't like it, but he belongs to you righties! :p ), his "press release" TM linked is a bunch of crap. I listened to the segment in its entirety, and the PAW took nothing out of context. What he said was at least as stupid as anything else he's said in the past. It was his typical mean and narrow-minded approach. The Republicans would do well to spend some money on a campaign to either shut him up or discredit him so badly no one will ever listen to him again. It ought to come easy to you neocon Republicans; nobody does smear campaigns better, just look at Herr Propaganda Minister Rove.

Here's a pretty comprhensive article on it:

CNN: Robertson suggests God smote Sharon

As for Sharon, I hope for his sake he has good health insurance.

...

.........oh yeah, Israel's one of them socialized countries with health care for everyone, ain't it?

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Re: A man of peace or not?

Postby BigJon@Work » Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:50 pm

I hear Robertson is up for the next sequel of Dumb and Dumber. They're going to use trick photography so he can play both parts. And no, he doesn't belong anywhere but a zoo.

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Re: A man of peace or not?

Postby Shapley » Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:55 pm

OT,

So you suggest we Republicans would do well to spend some money on a campaign to shut up or discredit Robertson, effectively denying free speech to someone we disagree with? That may be the way you Democrats handle it, but we believe in freedom of speech, we don't just talk about it. Sounds like you've gone a little hypocritical here, if you ask me.

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Re: A man of peace or not?

Postby OperaTenor » Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:57 pm

I'd bet the farm he's a registered Republican(especially since he's a one-time Republican presidential candidate), so yeah, he belongs to y'all.

Aren't you proud?

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Re: A man of peace or not?

Postby Shapley » Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:59 pm

I didn't say he wasn't a Republican. We have a big tent, and there's room for people diverse with opinions, even when they're wrong. Apparently you Democrats don't hold to the same values of freedom of opinion.

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Re: A man of peace or not?

Postby OperaTenor » Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:04 pm

Who says I'm a Democrat?

When prominent people(and he's internationally prominent, like it or not) say destructively stupid things and are perceived to have some official clout, then it crosses the line of simply "having an opinion", and someone with more juice than the emascualted Mouthpiece McClellan needs to speak out clearly against it.

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Re: A man of peace or not?

Postby Shapley » Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:05 pm

I reckon we all have our Lyndon LaRouche's.
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Re: A man of peace or not?

Postby OperaTenor » Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:10 pm

In response, be sure and check out my edit.
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Re: A man of peace or not?

Postby piqaboo » Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:29 pm

Oh my no, the Republicans would never discredit someone with whom they disagreed. :roll:
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