what do we make fun of ?

[OperaTenor]

Originally posted by barfle:
...usually in these boards, we're trying to make a point,....

Not that we ever succeed at convincing anyone else, however!

[BigJon@Work]

And we are ridiculous for doing it.

Waiting with baited breath.

[piqaboo]

Originally posted by BigJon@Work:
And we are ridiculous for doing it.

Waiting with baited breath.

Did you use night crawlers?
Most folks bate their breathe (hold it) instead.

[bignaf]

yeah piq, that's a pet peeve of mine...

[bignaf]

and re: the linked post of bigjon. it is surprising that HRH is chastizing him for personal attacks because of political views, when she herself has come close to it many times. then again, bigjon is the "other side," so it's not surprising at all...
a moderator is supposed to be impartial...

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[barfle]

This could get interesting...

[Haggis@wk]

Reuters

”The European Union may try to draw up a media code of conduct to avoid a repeat of the furor caused by the publication across Europe of cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad, an EU commissioner said on Thursday.

In an interview with Britain's Daily Telegraph, EU Justice and Security Commissioner Franco Frattini said the charter would encourage the media to show "prudence" when covering religion.

"The press will give the Muslim world the message: We are aware of the consequences of exercising the right of free expression," he told the newspaper. "We can and we are ready to self-regulate that right." ..

Frattini, a former Italian foreign minister, said millions of Muslims in Europe felt "humiliated" by the cartoons.

His proposed voluntary code would urge the media to respect all religious sensibilities but would not offer privileged status to any one faith.”

(Emphasis added)

When you say something like this against a backdrop of thugs burning embassies and killing people in reaction to your citizens' speech, appeasement and surrender is what this is all about.

All Europeans should be incensed that this is even being proposed.

[piqaboo]

Oh dear, they are giving into a temper tantrum. And we all know what happens when you do that.


btw bigjon, I found the article on ?Wahadism? very interesting. Thank you. If its correct, then perhaps those carbombers who attacked the oil field should be regarded as heros, not terrorists.

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[Selma in Sandy Eggo]

Originally posted by piqaboo:
Oh dear, they are giving into a temper tantrum...

Yup. Bad move.

Only thing I ever gave temper tantrums was banishment, scorn, and mockery. Honest laughter, for a couple of really silly ones.

Diplomatic community should be restricted to grandmothers. Or other people likely to have developed a little common sense.

[OperaTenor]

Altoid finally gave me enough time to read the article on Wahabism *igJon linked(thanks).

Haggis has iterated over and over that Wahabism is central to the whole problem, and needs to be addressed from within and without Islam. What I find most disturbing is our role, past and present, in supporting it. Here is where I find the root of GWB's criminal conflict of interest with his(and his family's) responsibility to the American people, not to mention all of the needless death that has been caused as a result of this relationship between the Bushes and the Sauds.

Planning on reading House of Bush, House of Saud soon.

[Shapley]

OT,

I've given up politics for Lent, so I'll not comment, except to say that it might help you to read a conservative book on the subject, while you're at it, just to give both perspectives. For a little history on the subject you might read The Real War by President Nixon. It's a short book, so it won't corrupt you too badly, and President Nixon isn't a real conservative, but he does explain the role Saudi Arabia plays in the world theatre.

V/R
Shapley (now going back to reading music threads)

[Haggis@wk]

OT,
I agree the Bush family deserves some of the blame for the, apparent, white gloves treatments of Saudi Arabia, but let try to keep it in perspective. The West was aware of the threat posed by Wahabism as early as the 1920s

Winston Churchill warned the world of the dangers of Islamic fundamentalism on 14 June 1921, in a speech to the House of Commons:

“A large number of [Saudi Arabia’s King] Bin Saud’s followers belong to the Wahabi sect, a form of Mohammedanism which bears, roughly speaking, the same relationship to orthodox Islam as the most militant form of Calvinism would have borne to Rome in the fiercest times of [Europe’s] religious wars.

The Wahabis profess a life of exceeding austerity, and what they practice themselves they rigorously enforce on others. They hold it as an article of duty, as well as of faith, to kill all who do not share their opinions and to make slaves of their wives and children. Women have been put to death in Wahabi villages for simply appearing in the streets.

It is a penal offence to wear a silk garment. Men have been killed for smoking a cigarette and, as for the crime of alcohol, the most energetic supporter of the temperance cause in this country falls far behind them. Austere, intolerant, well-armed, and blood-thirsty, in their own regions the Wahabis are a distinct factor which must be taken into account, and they have been, and still are, very dangerous to the holy cities of Mecca and Medina…

[OperaTenor]

Hi Haggis,

I did say "past and present", not holding the Bushes solely accountable for the situation, just its current iteration.

[BigJon@Work]

Originally posted by piqaboo:
Did you use night crawlers?
Most folks bate their breathe (hold it) instead.

I prefer the little worms they sell for fishing. You can get more on your tongue at once.

[DavidS]

Originally posted by BigJon@Work:

Originally posted by piqaboo:
[b] Did you use night crawlers?
Most folks bate their breathe (hold it) instead.

I prefer the little worms they sell for fishing. You can get more on your tongue at once. [/b]

Isn't the idea there to get the fish to jump straight into your mouth?