Illegal Immigration

[jamiebk]

OT...you would be so pleased to know that we have the Prez right here in CA wine country this weekend. He won't give us money to fix the levees, and of course he is dead-set against the stem cell reseach which we, as a state, funded with $2 billion, but he certainly likes St. Helena and his $4,000 per day "digs". (and of course our wine).

It was hilarious...there were protestors lining the main route to town, but of course the motorcade takes the back way into the place. So what did the Prez see???....nothing but "pro-Bush" signs and banners that were conveniently arranged. Man...this guy lives in a dream world.

[shostakovich]

What? We can't neuter Rice, too?! She needs neutering as badly as the rest of 'em.

Shouldn't the be, "work down to all the other violent criminals"?

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Rice is a classical pianist, and, therefore, not neuter fodder. Sorry. I don't think she has any kids, and may be too busy beating the bushes for Bush to have a life of her own.

Point well taken on "other violent criminals".
Shos

[Jeff Dutton]

... we have a real solution to the high rate of abortions. It's called contraception. If you don't want it, don't start it. (Apparently, that's what the Russians are doing.) Adoption from China isn't easy, or cheap, and there seem to be parents willing to deal with it. (Oddly, the orphans are not so much known orphans as foundlings, for whom there are no known parents. They all seem to be girls.) So I don't think improving legislation here would help.

Selma, I agree 100% with the concept. Unfortunately, it seems that many people either don't have the self control or intelligence to understand this, or just don't care.

Unfortunately, many people claim that humans, especially teenagers, are simply unable to exercise any self-control, so since they're going to have sex anyway, we might as well make it easy for them. As a result, we try to remove the consequences rather than teaching them the difference between being human beings and dumb animals.

[Selma in Sandy Eggo]

... since they're going to have sex anyway, we might as well make it easy for them. As a result, we try to remove the consequences rather than teaching them the difference between being human beings and dumb animals.

History would argue that, yes, they're going to have sex anyway. Some folk would seem to believe that sexually active teenagers is a new, modern, decadent phenomenon - this is sheer willful ignorance. Retroactive mental editing.

Go ahead, teach abstinance, teach responsibility (I certainly did) but also teach hygiene and contraception and introduce your daughters to a decent gynecologist.

[Trumpetmaster]

What? We can't neuter Rice, too?! She needs neutering as badly as the rest of 'em.

Shouldn't the be, "work down to all the other violent criminals"?

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Rice is a classical pianist, and, therefore, not neuter fodder. Sorry. I don't think she has any kids, and may be too busy beating the bushes for Bush to have a life of her own.

Point well taken on "other violent criminals".
Shos

I have to admit... when I read this post.... ROFLMAO......

[DavidS]

Hey, what about setting up a World State, in which anyone could live, work and invest wherever feasible? All under the same universal, agreed system of law; no travelling or currency restrictions of any kind...

[OperaTenor]

Hey, what about setting up a World State, in which anyone could live, work and invest wherever feasible? All under the same universal, agreed system of law; no travelling or currency restrictions of any kind...

That's exactly the PNAC/neocon/GWB adminisatration would like to do, but on their draconian terms.

[BigJon@Work]

Remember, the solution to overpopulation start with you."

And then, we have the heroic volunteers for neutering. There should be a special medal, maybe a "purple tube".

Heroic Volunteer

My proposal was a bit more "modest"

PS, Shos, could you learn to use the quote mechanism in the new board? It makes understanding your posts much easier and and it is easy to do.

[Jeff Dutton]

... since they're going to have sex anyway, we might as well make it easy for them. As a result, we try to remove the consequences rather than teaching them the difference between being human beings and dumb animals.

History would argue that, yes, they're going to have sex anyway. Some folk would seem to believe that sexually active teenagers is a new, modern, decadent phenomenon - this is sheer willful ignorance. Retroactive mental editing.

Go ahead, teach abstinance, teach responsibility (I certainly did) but also teach hygiene and contraception and introduce your daughters to a decent gynecologist.

Sexually active teenagers are definitely not new. However I do believe that a greater percentage of teenagers as well as other unmarried adults, have become sexually active since the "sexual revolution" and the subsequent attempted removal of consequences, including the destigmatization of abortion as a birth control method.

Sex is no longer considered to be something one should save for their life partner. Now its expected, accepted and even encouraged (by our culture) in even the most casual relationship.

More casual and recreational sex = more abortions (not to mention the spread of various diseases as a result of having multiple partners).

[jamiebk]

[However I do believe that a greater percentage of teenagers as well as other unmarried adults, have become sexually active since the "sexual revolution" QUOTE]

Hey....exactly when was the sexual revolution....Did I miss it? (I think s...I mean, I must have)

[DavidS]

Hey, what about setting up a World State, in which anyone could live, work and invest wherever feasible? All under the same universal, agreed system of law; no travelling or currency restrictions of any kind...

That's exactly the PNAC/neocon/GWB adminisatration would like to do, but on their draconian terms.

History is full of examples of dictatorships attempting to lord it over the whole known world.
That is not what I had in mind and I don't suppose it's what you favour. Do you really believe that that is GWB's agenda?
I mean - are those politicians intelligent enough to be really evil?

[Selma in Sandy Eggo]

Hey....exactly when was the sexual revolution....Did I miss it? (I think s...I mean, I must have)

October 9, 1964.

Not all of us joined up immediately, though.

[Jeff Dutton]

Click on the headline to read this story:

"Latino pop stars record Spanish 'Star Spangled Banner' to support migrants"

Here's an excerpt: '"We chose to re-record The Star-Spangled Banner to show our solidarity with the undocumented immigrants and their quest for basic civil rights," UBO President Adam Kidron said in a news release.'

Personally, as a citizen of the United States, and the decendent of LEGAL immigrants, I am offended by this. These "pop stars" are citizens of Mexico and Puerto Rico. Why don't they just support the poor people in their own countries?

First of all, they are not "undocumented immigrants", they are aliens who have entered the United States illegally. In my opinion, they should be seeking their "basic civil rights" in their homeland. The Mexican government is corrupt. The citizens of Mexico should be demonstrating in the streets of Mexico City demanding that their own government provide them jobs and take care of their needs.

[OperaTenor]

These "pop stars" are citizens of Mexico and Puerto Rico. Why don't they just support the poor people in their own countries?

Just a minor point of correction: Puerto Rico is U.S. territory.

Don't forget there are many places in the world that we dangle on the stick of imperialism.

[Selma in Sandy Eggo]

...The citizens of Mexico should be demonstrating in the streets of Mexico City demanding that their own government provide them jobs and take care of their needs.

Jeff, you're 100% correct, but that's dangerous and unproductive. The money's already in Switzerland and Spanish has terms like "la junta" and "los deseparacidos". Federales don't mind a little extra target practice, and they don't have rules against domestic operations. Mexican courts don't need to presume innocence, don't understand "reasonable doubt".

It's a lot quicker and safer to invade the neighbor's country than to fix your own, when your own government doesn't mind killing you. For the other idea, "world state" sounds like a good idea, on the face of it, but consider the UN - we're outnumbered by the thugs and barbarians and if we give everyone a vote, how's it going to end up for us?

[shostakovich]

[quote]PS, Shos, could you learn to use the quote mechanism in the new board? It makes understanding your posts much easier and and it is easy to do.[quote]

Anything to make you happy.

[BigJon@Work]

Not quite, try again.

[Jeff Dutton]

...The citizens of Mexico should be demonstrating in the streets of Mexico City demanding that their own government provide them jobs and take care of their needs.

Jeff, you're 100% correct, but that's dangerous and unproductive.

So, do you agree or disagree?

Sometimes, dangerous though it may be, revolution is the best solution to dealing with a corrupt, oppressive government. It makes a lot more sense to me for the people of Mexico to fix their own country rather than taking the easy way out (supposedly) by invading ours. I also believe that we have a perfect right to protect our country and its citizens from that invasion.

[shostakovich]

Not quite, try again.

Thanks for giving me another chance.

[OperaTenor]

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Sometimes, dangerous though it may be, revolution is the best solution to dealing with a corrupt, oppressive government.

I couldn't agree more. Let's start with those thugs who took over the White House.