And Now For the News...

[piqaboo]

Yeah, Im none to happy about guns on board either. Garrots and throwing knives are less likely to cut thru critical control components.

Dai has it, the next attack(s) wont be copies, they'll be new, and surprise the living c**p out of us once again. Its that low tech, thinking outside the box approach.

Shapley, I needed smelling salts! You are quoting Wikipedia as a source! Can you hunt down something less bombarded? I may be misremembering but I think it was you and BigJon who claimed the W was no source a'tall a'tall. Im sure that there is a newspaper article or state of union speach or something out there....

[Shapley]

Piq,

I went to the quickest non-right-wing source that was available. If I'd posted something form National Review, Fox News, or the Weekly Standard, it would have been dismissed out-of-hand. I really don't have time to wade through the 20,000 or so Google hits to find one that will meet the general consensus as a valid source. I read the Wikipedia reference and saw that it was consistent with what I recall to be the facts - and I cut-and-pasted the necessary exerpt in case the entry changes between the time I read it and the time it gets read by Shos.

I don't consider Wikipedia to be 'definivite'. It is subject to flaws and revisionism, and there is evidence that Congressmen are having their staffers edit out unfriendly references to themselves. Quite a while back I referred to information they had on 'Nannygate'. A couple weeks later, I searched for the reference and found only two lines.

Shos, or anyone else that may be interested, is free to expand their search based on the names, dates, and references I provided in the Wikipedia link. I don't have time to do everyone's homework here.

V/R
Shapley

[piqaboo]

Hey dude, Im not the one whos had a problem with wikipedia.
They are as good as they are.

The article is actually footnoted, FYI.



Now, what were we discussing?

[Shapley]

Piq,

I've cited Wikipedia a number of times, but I usually include the disclaimer "I know it's not definitive".

I believe it was Haggis who first pointed out that Wikipedia is a flawed source, but it also depends on what you're attempting to prove. It is, in many cases, little more than an opinion piece. However, when looking for dates and quotes, it can usually be relied on to get those accurately.

V/R
Shapley

P.S., yes, it is footnoted, but some of the footnotes are opinion pieces, including at least one from the dreaded Weekly Standard. It does, however, provide the answer to Shos' question.

[Haggis@wk]

One small word

” Damn, I really did it. I blew the first words on the Moon, didn’t I?” he is reported to have asked officials later, amid uncertainty as to whether he had blown the moment or simply been drowned out by static interference as his words were relayed 250,000 miles back to Earth.

Now, after almost four decades, the spaceman has been vindicated. Using high-tech sound analysis techniques, an Australian computer expert has rediscovered the missing “a” in Mr Armstrong’s famous quote. Peter Shann Ford ran the Nasa recording through sound-editing software and clearly picked up an acoustic wave from the word “a”, finding that Mr Armstrong spoke it at a rate of 35 milliseconds — ten times too fast for it to be audible.

Mr Ford’s findings have been presented to Nasa officials in Washington and to a relieved Mr Armstrong, who issued a statement saying: “I find the technology interesting and useful. I also find his conclusion persuasive.”

Why do I find this to be strangely comforting?

[piqaboo]

One small word

” Damn, I really did it. I blew the first words on the Moon, didn’t I?” he is reported to have asked officials later, amid uncertainty as to whether he had blown the moment or simply been drowned out by static interference as his words were relayed 250,000 miles back to Earth.

Now, after almost four decades, the spaceman has been vindicated. Using high-tech sound analysis techniques, an Australian computer expert has rediscovered the missing “a” in Mr Armstrong’s famous quote. Peter Shann Ford ran the Nasa recording through sound-editing software and clearly picked up an acoustic wave from the word “a”, finding that Mr Armstrong spoke it at a rate of 35 milliseconds — ten times too fast for it to be audible.

Mr Ford’s findings have been presented to Nasa officials in Washington and to a relieved Mr Armstrong, who issued a statement saying: “I find the technology interesting and useful. I also find his conclusion persuasive.”

Why do I find this to be strangely comforting?

Because you are strange? But thats ok, we luv ya anyway

[navneeth]

Why do I find this to be strangely comforting?

It’s like having an itch for 40 years that’s finally been scratched.

[Haggis@wk]

Schoolgirl arrested for refusing to study with non-English pupils

This is what you get in a nanny state

”A teenage schoolgirl was arrested by police for racism after refusing to sit with a group of Asian students because some of them did not speak English.

Codie Stott’s family claim she was forced to spend three-and-a-half hours in a police cell after she was reported by her teachers. The 14-year-old - who was released without charge - said it had been a simple matter of commonsense and accused the school and police of an over-the-top reaction.

The incident happened in the same local education authority where a ten-year-old boy was prosecuted earlier this year for calling a schoolfriend racist names in the playground, a move branded by a judge “political correctness gone mad.”

Codie was attending a GCSE science class at Harrop Fold High School in Worsley, Greater Manchester, when the incident happened. The teenager had not been in school the day before due to a hospital appointment and had missed the start of a project, so the teacher allocated her a group to sit with.

“She said I had to sit there with five Asian pupils,” said Codie yesterday. “Only one could speak English, so she had to tell that one what to do so she could explain in their language. Then she sat me with them and said ‘Discuss’.”

According to Codie, the five - four boys and a girl - then began talking in a language she didn’t understand, thought to be Urdu, so she went to speak to the teacher.

“I said ‘I’m not being funny, but can I change groups because I can’t understand them?’ But she started shouting and screaming, saying ‘It’s racist, you’re going to get done by the police’.”
Codie said she went outside to calm down where another teacher found her and, after speaking to her class teacher, put her in isolation for the rest of the day.

A complaint was made to a police officer based full-time at the school, and more than a week after the incident on September 26 she was taken to Swinton police station and placed under arrest.
“They told me to take my laces out of my shoes and remove my jewellery, and I had my fingerprints and photograph taken,” said Codie. “It was awful.””

[Shapley]

School prohibits children from playing 'tag' out of fear of injury

Why not just ban recess and strap them to their desks?

[Haggis@wk]

CNN

” Movie actor Wesley Snipes was indicted Tuesday on eight counts of tax fraud accusing him of trying to cheat the government of $12 million in false refund claims.

Snipes, 44, also failed to file tax returns for six years, according to an indictment unsealed in Tampa, Florida.

Federal prosecutors said that Snipes fraudulently claimed refunds totaling nearly $12 million in 1996 and 1997 on income taxes already paid.
The indictment also charged him with failure to file returns between 1999 and 2004.”

How can you be so stupid? It’s like that guy from “Survivor” who won the million and then didn’t pay taxes

The incomes of these men are a matter of public record: in the “Survivor” case he won $1 million on a nationally-televised reality show, and in Snipes's case, because it's published in Variety each time he makes a new movie.

And don’t get this wrong. He’s didn’t try to avoid paying taxes on income, he tried to increase his refunds

[Shapley]

A September 24, 2002 DNC press release listed Wesley Snipes as an "artist who is supporting the event," which was a $6 million fundraiser where tickets ranged from $500 to $250,000.

No comment.

[Shapley]

Stingray Jumps Into Boat, Stabs Man In Chest


Hmmmmm.

[Catmando]

Stingray Jumps Into Boat, Stabs Man In Chest


Hmmmmm.

We must keep the Stingray's at bay! They are attacking us in our boats! We must respond!

[Shapley]

Well, I hate to make light of Steve Irwin's death, but it does have all the tailmarks of a copycat crime.

[jamiebk]

Stingray Jumps Into Boat, Stabs Man In Chest


Hmmmmm.

I am quite sure that this is an Al-Qaeda plot. I have heard rumors that they have set up stingray training camps in ocean areas near US key cities.

[Catmando]

Perhaps Sting can shed some light on this?

Maybe he'll join our BBB, since he is now releasing Classical CD's.

[Catmando]

Stingray Jumps Into Boat, Stabs Man In Chest


Hmmmmm.

I am quite sure that this is an Al-Qaeda plot. I have heard rumors that they have set up stingray training camps in ocean areas near US key cities.

Fear not. GWB has a counter sting operation in the works I'm sure.

[Shapley]

Perhaps Sting can shed some light on this?

Hmmm. I guess I never realized his last name was Ray.

[Shapley]

Texas Seminary Bans Promotion of Speaking In Tongues

Hopefully, they can still kiss rattlesnakes, though.

[Haggis@wk]

"
School prohibits children from playing 'tag' out of fear of injury

Why not just ban recess and strap them to their desks?"

So perhaps, just as we use nautical expressions like "in the offing" without having any idea what they mean, future generations may say "You're it!" or talk about "telephone tag" without understanding the reference.