America, land of torture? It can't happen here...

[OperaTenor]

I'm not going to comment just yet. I want tto wait until Shap's train of thought completes the full circle.

[Shapley]

Are you suggesting that I've supported retroactive laws in the past? I hardly think so.

[OperaTenor]

Not at all. It's just that, as I read your posts, I get this image of a circle of talk in my head.

:p

[Shapley]

So, You admit I'm running circles around you in this discussion!

[OperaTenor]

Nice try, Mr. Wiggles.

[BigJon]

Y'all make nice leather together!

Is that a British-ism?

[OperaTenor]

The first thing the Dems need to do when they take control is

REPEAL THE F%#&*() MILITARY COMMISSIONS ACT!

[Marye]

What is this act OT?

[piqaboo]

Y'all make nice leather together!

Is that a British-ism?

I was referring to the well-tanned horsehide.

[Shapley]

The first thing the Dems need to do when they take control is

REPEAL THE F%#&*() MILITARY COMMISSIONS ACT!

I guess it shouldn't matter that it passed with bi-partisan support?

[OperaTenor]

What is this act OT?

It is the recently passed law legalizing torture in the U.S., and grandfathering its protections to extend to anyone under the GWB administration who committed acts in violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice or international law prior to its passage.

Somehow, it doesn't reach the poor suckers who were convicted in the Abu Grhaib scandal, but that hasn't offended the sensitivites of any of the torture advocates here. Not even in the name of supporting our troops.

Shap, it doesn't matter. The turd of a law is immoral and inhumane, and needs to go away.

[Shapley]

Here's the actual text of the Military Commissions Act

I don't find it as onerous as OT thinks it is, but anyone who wants to can read it for themselves and see.

[OperaTenor]

Here's the actual text of the Military Commissions Act

I don't find it as onerous as OT thinks it is, but anyone who wants to can read it for themselves and see.

Of course you don't see it. You think torture's a good idea.

[Shapley]

You think torture's a good idea.

Where did I say that? I said I don't think that flushing pages out of a book is torture.

[Marye]

You think torture's a good idea.

Where did I say that? I said I don't think that flushing pages out of a book is torture.

Sorry... I am not sure I understand what you mean, Shap.

[Shapley]

Sorry Mary.

Among the incidents of 'torture' cited at Guantanomo Bay, Cuba was an accusation that interrogators tore pages from the Koran and flushed them down the toilet.

Military investigators found no evidence that it happened, but did find an incident of a prisoner flushing pages.

Whatever the case, it does no seem to meet the definition of 'torture' under any guideline I've ever seen.

V/R
Shapley

[OperaTenor]

Shap, you also support waterboarding, electrical shocks, and the beatings.

[Shapley]

Gitmo Detainee Outlines Incidents of "Mental Torture"

Mr Khan complained about how US guards had taken away pictures of his daughter, given him new glasses with the wrong prescription, shaved his beard off, forcibly fed him when he went on hunger strike, and denied him the opportunity for recreation.

This led him to attempt to chew through his artery twice, Mr Khan said.

Later, Mr Khan produced a list of further examples of psychological torture, which included the provision of "cheap, branded, unscented soap", the prison newsletter, noisy fans and half-inflated balls in the recreation room that "hardly bounce".

Also: His mattress wasn't a Serta 'Perfect Sleeper', The easy chair does not recline, and the keep playing Adam Sandler movies on the cable network...

[jamiebk]

Next thing we'll probably hear about is that the water in the spa isn't warm enough and the bubbler is broken.

[Haggis@wk]

The U.S. Defense Department released photos last week of an al-Qaeda torture chamber in Iraq, which showed various torture tools—blow torches, meat cleavers, hammers, drills, metal files—drawings of torture methods, and photos of actual victims found in another house in Karmah who had been burned, mutilated, and tortured in myriad ways.

To their credit, CNN and Fox News Channel ran stories on the declassified material. Yet nine days since the material was released, neither ABC, CBS, NBC, The New York Times nor The Washington Post has run a story with the photos of this shocking evidence of al-Qaeda’s barbarism.

Concerning the top media’s silence on the al-Qaeda torture chamber in Iraq, MRC President Brent Bozell issued the following statement:

“

The elite media’s liberal bias is abundantly clear in this case. U.S. soldiers raided several al-Qaeda safe houses in Iraq and discovered stacks of evidence about how al-Qaeda tortures its victims. The tools, the drawings, and the photos are gruesome and clearly show what type of enemy the U.S. is facing.

“Yet most of the liberal media are deliberately silent. This is the same self-righteous liberal media that ran more than 6,000 stories and countless photos of Abu Ghraib and the abuse of prisoners there by several U.S. soldiers. Where are they now? Why will they not show the American people what al-Qaeda is actually doing in Iraq right now? Whose side are they on?

“Al-Qaeda’s crimes are a thousand-fold more brutal than anything done by any derelict U.S. soldier. Yet it’s obvious now that the liberal media want to focus on U.S. misdeeds, and alleged misdeeds, and theoretical misdeeds instead of giving the truth to the American people.”

Oh THAT defeatist, negative, liberal MSM