2ND Amendment Ruling Due in 2008

[BigJon@Work]

I've seen that video before. Scary weapon. Cool camera arrangement.

[Haggis@wk]

They told me that if George W. Bush were re-elected, we'd see the militarization of law enforcement, and troops called out in the streets as Americans were deprived of basic constitutional liberties. And they were right!

Gov. Rod Blagojevich on Wednesday raised the possibility of bringing in state troopers or even the Illinois National Guard to help Chicago combat a recent increase in violent crime -- an offer that Mayor Richard Daley didn't know was coming.

I'm just glad the Democrat Convention's not in Chicago this year!

[jamiebk]

or a .12 GA pump shotgun the rest of the time he was in combat.

Aren’t shotguns illegal in war?

DUDE!!!

That is a terrifying weapon. I doubt that body armor would be effective against the random pattern of that shot. It's like a directional grenade.

[Haggis@wk]

CELEBRATE YOUR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS: Tomorrow is National Ammo Day.

I was going to buy a coupla boxes of double ought buck today but got sidetracked so I’ll do that tomorrow……probably need a coupla boxes of .40 as well since I’ll go to the range Thursday

[analog]

http://www.lewrockwell.com/suprynowicz/suprynowicz104.html

What we’re seeing in the gun stores this week is not a nation arming itself for revolt, but Americans in a thoroughly defensive mode, stocking up now to avoid the Democratic gun bans they believe are coming. What many Americans fear is that Barack Obama – aided by congressional allies like Senators Dianne Feinstein of California and Charles Schumer of New York – will revert to his true, pre-campaign nature come Jan. 20, and once more move to take away Americans’ guns.........
.............
After all, Democrats have tried before. In fact, a notable public figure said after Republicans recaptured Congress in 1994 that that happened precisely because Democrats tried to take away Americans’ guns.

Who was that insightful analyst?

Bill Clinton.

[Haggis@wk]

I bought 2 boxes of ammo, .45 and .40 cal. I had to sign a statement that the .45 was only for a handgun; I guess I'll have to get that ammo for my thompson some where else

[dai bread]

The American attachment to guns is a cause of bewilderment world-wide, even in countries like this, where there are plenty of guns.

[barfle]

The American attachment to guns is a cause of bewilderment world-wide, even in countries like this, where there are plenty of guns.

I wouldn't say we have an attachment worthy of bewilderment. However, we certainly have opinions on the wisdom of owning them, and a Constitutional basis for owning them.

Of course, having a major star like Charleton Heston actively representing one of those opinions made a lot of press, no doubt the world over.

I personally support the idea of an armed populace, but do not own a gun.

[Haggis@wk]

The American attachment to guns is a cause of bewilderment world-wide, even in countries like this, where there are plenty of guns.

That’s only because the worldwide media, which hates the U.S. loves making fun of the U.S. cowboy image. An image shared by the left and right coast of the U.S. but not in the heartland. We are as attached to our guns as, say, the Swedes and the Swiss.

The value of constitutional guarantee is apparent when you look at the UK and Australia. Countries that became rife with gun crime once guns were taken out of the hands of citizens.

There’s a website called Civilian Gun Self-Defense Blog that highlights press accounts of civilians using guns to defend themselves or their property.

It’s a pretty good blog and includes the ugly along with the successes.

[dai bread]

I don't know about the U.K., Haggis, but your comment about Australia surprises me. I didn't think they had any more gun crime than we do, which is to say, not much. Especially now that banks have got on top of the armed robbery scenario.

[Haggis@wk]

I don't know about the U.K., Haggis, but your comment about Australia surprises me. I didn't think they had any more gun crime than we do, which is to say, not much. Especially now that banks have got on top of the armed robbery scenario.

Dai,

You might be right, according to this report gun crimes are down (after shooting up over 35% )

Analysis: UK gun crime figures

But according to this report, gun crimes are increasing and the govt. is hiding the actual numbers.

Ministers 'covered up' gun crime

As for Australia, the reports are all over the scale so I can’t in fairness support my claim that gun crime or even crime in general is up.

It was interesting to note a lot of press reports that point out that homicide by other methods, beatings kicking, clubbing seem up so people are still getting murdered, the killers are just using other methods.

However, whereas I might be a murder victim in the UK in the U.S. my supposed killer better bring more to the fight than a club, feet or a knife.

I can’t describe how I would feel being unable to protect my family or my property; maybe that’s an American Cowboy thing.

I still believe that those in any country who want to murder still carefully select those places where they won’t be resisted.

When Seconds Count: Stopping Active Killers

Change to police tactics

The traditional response is bring up the SWAT team, plan it out carefully, then go in. As the matter was better understood, this switched to whoever gets there first goes in immediately -- seconds passing means people dying. To my mind, this is a powerful argument for allowing teachers to be armed.

The article ends:

"The other statistic that emerged from a study of active killers is that they almost exclusively seek out "gun free" zones for their attacks...
...As soon as they're confronted by any armed resistance, the shooters typically turn the gun on themselves."

[Haggis@wk]

I’d call it the feelgood story of the day except (a) it’s actually seven weeks old and is only now making the rounds, probably because the sheer satisfaction of it has finally sent it viral, and (b) the reason he was surprised is because this wasn’t their first encounter, sadly.

In the first incident, the woman heard glass breaking in her basement about midnight on Saturday. She went to leave the house, and the man attacked when she opened the front door. He punched her in the face and then forced her into a bedroom, where he raped her, said H. Morley Swingle, prosecuting attorney in Cape Girardeau County…

She was home alone again Friday about 2:15 a.m. when Preyer broke the same basement window. The victim was awake watching television, when Preyer switched off the electricity to her house.

She tried to call 911, but couldn’t because the power was off. She got a shotgun and waited as the man began banging on the basement door. She fired when Preyer came crashing through the door. When Preyer collapsed, the woman escaped and went to a neighbor’s home, where she called police. Officers, who arrived within a minute, found a bleeding Preyer stumbling away from the house. He was taken to St. Francis Medical Center, where he died several hours later.

Swingle said the victim identified Preyer as the attacker in both incidents. Preyer, of Jackson, Mo., had wet caulking from the recently repaired basement window on his clothing when he was shot.

No charges, of course. Preyer had been married for four months at the time and left eight kids without a father.

Exit question: With 11 felonies to his record and enough criminal savvy to cut the power in the home, how many more rapes did this woman prevent?

[Shapley]

New Federal Regulations Will Allow Concealed Firearms In Some National Parks And Wildlife Refuges

You would have to have a valid Concealed-Carry Permit, and the National Park or Wildlife Refuge would have to be located in a State that permits concealed carry. Even so, it is a step in the right direction. Firearms were apparently banned on most Federal lands in the '30s. Ronaldus Maximums eased that restriction in the '80s, but the transportation of firearms within those lands still required them to be unloaded and broken down or in a locked case.

The Brady Foundation is suing to block the move, although I do not know what basis they have for such a suit.

[jamiebk]

Backpackers and campers are at risk in some of these wild places. I know many who carry a handgun for protection from bears, mountain lions etc. Most put them in their packs which I guess would be "concealed". Glad to hear that some reasonable minds may be weighing in here.

[jamiebk]

Exit question: With 11 felonies to his record and enough criminal savvy to cut the power in the home, how many more rapes did this woman prevent?

And how many did he commit that went unreported? Good riddance

[Shapley]

Backpackers and campers are at risk in some of these wild places. I know many who carry a handgun for protection from bears, mountain lions etc. Most put them in their packs which I guess would be "concealed". Glad to hear that some reasonable minds may be weighing in here.

Yes. The number of mountain lion attacks and bear attacks seems to be increasing, probably due to increases both in the animal population and in the numbers of hikers. There are also attacks, mostly on female hikers, by predatory human animals. A handgun is a useful tool for dealing with those, as well...

V/R
Shapley

[Shapley]

In the first incident, the woman heard glass breaking in her basement about midnight on Saturday. She went to leave the house, and the man attacked when she opened the front door. He punched her in the face and then forced her into a bedroom, where he raped her, said H. Morley Swingle, prosecuting attorney in Cape Girardeau County…

...No charges, of course. Preyer had been married for four months at the time and left eight kids without a father.

Mr. Swingle is a good man. He respects the rights of citizens to protect themselves, particularly when they have already fallen victim once. We have a good police force here, but they can't be everywhere.

[barfle]

No charges, of course. Preyer had been married for four months at the time and left eight kids without a father.

Thanks for pointing this part out, Shap.

Eight kids, married four months? From what little I know, those kids didn't lose a father in this incident.

[Haggis@wk]

No charges, of course. Preyer had been married for four months at the time and left eight kids without a father.

Thanks for pointing this part out, Shap.

Eight kids, married four months? From what little I know, those kids didn't lose a father in this incident.

granted.

[analog]

While they've got everyone distracted,,,

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c111:1:./temp/~c111Q5Em6S::

(b) Amendment to Title 18, United States Code- Section 921(a) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:

`(36) The term `qualifying firearm'--

`(A) means--

`(i) any handgun; or

`(ii) any semiautomatic firearm that can accept any detachable ammunition feeding device; and

`(B) does not include any antique.'.

TITLE I--LICENSING

SEC. 101. LICENSING REQUIREMENT.

Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:

`(aa) Firearm Licensing Requirement-

`(1) IN GENERAL- It shall be unlawful for any person other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to possess a qualifying firearm on or after the applicable date, unless that person has been issued a firearm license--

`(A) under title I of Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009, which license has not been invalidated or revoked under that title; or

`(B) pursuant to a State firearm licensing and record of sale system certified under section 602 of Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009, which license has not been invalidated or revoked under State law.

`(2) APPLICABLE DATE- In this subsection, the term `applicable date' means--

`(A) with respect to a qualifying firearm that is acquired by the person before the date of the enactment of Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009, 2 years after such date of enactment; and

`(B) with respect to a qualifying firearm that is acquired by the person on or after the date of the enactment of Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009, 1 year after such date of enactment.'.

SEC. 102. APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS.

(a) In General- In order to be issued a firearm license under this title, an individual shall submit to the Attorney General (in accordance with the regulations promulgated under subsection (b)) an application, which shall include--

(1) a current, passport-sized photograph of the applicant that provides a clear, accurate likeness of the applicant;

(2) the name, address, and date and place of birth of the applicant;

(3) any other name that the applicant has ever used or by which the applicant has ever been known;

(4) a clear thumb print of the applicant, which shall be made when, and in the presence of the entity to whom, the application is submitted;

(5) with respect to each category of person prohibited by Federal law, or by the law of the State of residence of the applicant, from obtaining a firearm, a statement that the individual is not a person prohibited from obtaining a firearm;

(6) a certification by the applicant that the applicant will keep any firearm owned by the applicant safely stored and out of the possession of persons who have not attained 18 years of age;

(7) a certificate attesting to the completion at the time of application of a written firearms examination, which shall test the knowledge and ability of the applicant regarding--

(A) the safe storage of firearms, particularly in the vicinity of persons who have not attained 18 years of age;

(B) the safe handling of firearms;

(C) the use of firearms in the home and the risks associated with such use;

(D) the legal responsibilities of firearms owners, including Federal, State, and local laws relating to requirements for the possession and storage of firearms, and relating to reporting requirements with respect to firearms; and

(E) any other subjects, as the Attorney General determines to be appropriate;

(8) an authorization by the applicant to release to the Attorney General or an authorized representative of the Attorney General any mental health records pertaining to the applicant;

(9) the date on which the application was submitted; and

(10) the signature of the applicant.

(b) Regulations Governing Submission- The Attorney General shall promulgate regulations specifying procedures for the submission of applications to the Attorney General under this section, which regulations shall--

(1) provide for submission of the application through a licensed dealer or an office or agency of the Federal Government designated by the Attorney General;

(2) require the applicant to provide a valid identification document (as defined in section 1028(d)(2) of title 18, United States Code) of the applicant, containing a photograph of the applicant, to the licensed dealer or to the office or agency of the Federal Government, as applicable, at the time of submission of the application to that dealer, office, or agency; and

(3) require that a completed application be forwarded to the Attorney General not later than 48 hours after the application is submitted to the licensed dealer or office or agency of the Federal Government, as applicable.

(c) Fees-

(1) IN GENERAL- The Attorney General shall charge and collect from each applicant for a license under this title a fee in an amount determined in accordance with paragraph (2).

(2) FEE AMOUNT- The amount of the fee collected under this subsection shall be not less than the amount determined by the Attorney General to be necessary to ensure that the total amount of all fees collected under this subsection during a fiscal year is sufficient to cover the costs of carrying out this title during that fiscal year, except that such amount shall not exceed $25.

might be easier to access here:
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/show


"infringe" used to mean 'gradually encroach or eat away'.
Search it now and see what comes up.

they won.

a.