Altoid Goes to City Hall

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Re: Altoid Goes to City Hall

Postby BigJon@Work » Wed Nov 26, 2008 10:42 am

Congratulations for taking the fight to city hall. Now go get ‘em on the road problems.

Philladelphia is going through a similar contraction, 11 libraries to close, some percentage of fire equipment will be sold, 60 city pools closing, several ice rinks funded private and 600 city employees laid off. The difference is Mayor Nutter is taking the proposals to eight town hall meetings to discuss the particulars with the citizens. He discussed today that the board of library governors did the choosing of which branches to close. (Now, of course, the libertarian bent in me says to privatize all of these, but that is a discussion for another day.)

Despite his Democrat party affiliation, I have a lot of respect for Mayor Nutter. He is a straight talker and unflinching about the problems facing his city. I’d support him for higher office, but his undynamic delivery will probably consign him to local politic forever.
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Re: Altoid Goes to City Hall

Postby dai bread » Wed Nov 26, 2008 4:29 pm

My local council is going to suffer from the current steep decline in property values. Its income is largely derived from property taxes called rates, which are based on property values.

There is a legal obligation on the council to re-value its region's land and buildings every 3 years, and this year is revaluation year. Unfortunately for the council, property values are about 33% down from their giddy heights of a couple of years ago, and there must be thousands of people like me who are protesting about their astronomical official values, and the consequent astronomical rates bills.

The council's axe is already swinging.
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Re: Altoid Goes to City Hall

Postby Shapley » Wed Nov 26, 2008 5:07 pm

Many moons ago, local governments used to maintain a 'rainy day fund', in which excess funds were placed so that, when tax revenues dropped as they periodically do, there would be funds available, at least in the short term, to cover expenses. Such planning has apparently become a thing of the past. Government at all level had seen the recent spate of record tax revenues as a green light to take on all sorts of obligations above and beyond the normal provision of services. No thought seems to have been given to how they would continue to be funded when the party ended, as everyone knew it eventually must.

Apparently politicians hated the idea that there were funds that were sitting idle, so they used them to expand city services. Of course, there were hordes of voters attending meetings telling them how important it was to add this service or expand that one, so it wasn't hard to find places to spend it.

Local schools expanded, primarily adding massive 'recreational complexes'. These were expensive to build and expensive to maintain. The shools also created pre-K services for the local citizenry, who apparently insisted that they should be free from most of the costs of watching their own children. These services are 'free' to poor children, subisdized for lower-middle class citizens, and provided at cost to the rest of us, apparently. Before- and After-school programmes were added.

Libraries were expanded. Computers installed since, apparently, it is not enough for libraries to offer books. Computers, of course, are expensive to install and maintain, and have to be upgraded regularly. Of course, there is the obligatory 'audio-visual' room added, too.

Parks, always a nice gesture on the part of the community, had to add 'water parks' and skateboard parks, soccer 'complexes', etc.

All of these items, nice though they may be, are expensive to build, expensive to maintain, and could be provided by private industry. Even if, during good times, a construction subsidy was provided, that would still be cheaper than having the community run the thing. I have even seen private facilities put out of business by unfair competition from the local government, who apparently thought it was unfair that people were charged for the services. Now, of course, that the free flow of dollars is becoming restricted, it becomes obvious to everyone why it was necessary to charge for those services. Everyone, that is, except the local government, which has to beg for more 'free' money to keep these 'necessary services' operational.

I've known of government-paid financial counselors who have warned people of the danger of living hand-to-mouth, and of the importance of saving for a rainy day. Too bad the government didn't listen to its' own counselors. :curse:
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Re: Altoid Goes to City Hall

Postby piqaboo » Wed Apr 22, 2009 11:32 am

THe library stays open!

The librarians agreed to a 6% paycut and a punitive change in health insurance.

~20 yrs ago, the then mayor offered outstanding health coverage in exchange for librarians giving up SS. Now, the deal's been changed.
Retire, you keep the coverage. Keep working, you lose it and of course, if you are a long time employee, you've also lost SS.

So, a lot of librarians are looking to retire earlier than they originally planned. Our personal favorite librarian will be gone 5 years sooner than planned.
This will save the city money because those on salary will be the newer ones, earning less.

Tough on the librarians. Good for the city. Good for the neighborhood.

Our fav librarian's spouse works for the city council.
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Re: Altoid Goes to City Hall

Postby Shapley » Wed Apr 22, 2009 11:48 am

piqaboo wrote:Tough on the librarians. Good for the city. Good for the neighborhood.


True, but if the library closed the young ones and the old ones would be out of work. This way, those eligible for retirement can draw it, those who aren't will lose their investment (happened to a lot of us lately), and the youngest will have to settle with SS, or plan for their retirement themselves.
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