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Re: What's your area of living famous for?

Postby jmfryar » Wed Jul 02, 2003 10:22 am

Gotta say...tempted to visit...
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Re: What's your area of living famous for?

Postby miles » Wed Jul 02, 2003 12:32 pm

I live in Guadalajara, Mexico. It took 400 years for the 1st 1 million population, 10 years for the 2nd, 5 years for the 3rd and 30 days for the 4th. People here say that the earthquake of 1985 in Mexico City ( 22,000 died) did more damage to Guadalajara than to Mexico City. One million people from Mexico City moved here in the following 30 days. The guess is that we have about 6 milllion people here now, with infrastructure for 1 million.

Famous as " The Big Ranch" and " The Wet Earth" , times have changed. 25 years ago the last bus ran at 9:30 p.m. and everyone went to bed at 10:00 p.m. and there was only one place to dance after 10:00 p.m., that's changed. 25,000 acres of concrete have changed the weather by 20 degrees and the rain pattern has changed to where it's no longer the " Wet Earth".

We have 2 fine medical schools, maybe more. One of them has a large American student enrollment, created to solve the problem created by the Am. Med. Assoc.

Manifest Destiny ? Guadalajara is the half of Mexico that the U.S.A. did not take as a result of the " Mexican American War". The similarity to Iraq began with the deception by the government as to the reason for the war and it was over before it was questioned. There was no deception about Manifest Destiny, the articles that ran in USA papers at the time are some of the ugliest racist works of there time.

We are still famous for Mariachi music, great food and good weather. It is not a tourist destination for most, but a place to fly into and spend a day or so onthe way to the nearby beaches, some of the best in the world.


Originally posted by monkeymd2b:
Let's see...I grew up in hawaii - nothing special about that place except the US govt imprisoning the monarch and then taking over (manifest destiny or practice for iraq?)
Then I lived in Eugene, Or...they were supposedly the first city in the US to ever have one way streets
Now I live in New Orleans and there's so much history here that I have only begun to scratch the surface in my quest to learn about my residence.
As for a broad based education, now that I'm in med school, the only good reason I can see for what I've learned in college and high school is so I can have "normal" things to talk about with non medical people. You know, something to use to connect with my patients. And I recall a study that folks who played a musical instrument were better at some aspects of math (fractions). And I hate to admit it but sometimes I too feel that Bush is the hero of the rich men. Most of his "brilliant" plans he announced at the state of the union address would only work for those who had the $$$ (no more double taxing on stocks? Most of the stocks (or whatever) are owned by the wealthy...how does that help the rest of the country - ie the lower 99%? I would like to see a federal law capping malpractice suits and a review board that such suits must pass through to separate frivilous from justified like louisiana has...yikes...could I just have found a reason to stay here?!? But back to the topic as originally posted...
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Re: What's your area of living famous for?

Postby OperaTenor » Wed Jul 02, 2003 12:32 pm

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Re: What's your area of living famous for?

Postby OperaTenor » Wed Jul 02, 2003 12:34 pm

Originally posted by jmfryar:
Gotta say...tempted to visit...
...only if I can get a guided tour from Annette.... ;)
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Re: What's your area of living famous for?

Postby shostakovich » Wed Jul 02, 2003 1:34 pm

Nice post from Guadalajara, Miles. At least one of the medical schools has been called into question here for accepting students that would be rejected in the states. Some return to the USA to practice.

Your reference to mariachi reminded me of Sones de Mariachi by Blas Galindo. And by some remarkable coincidence I am at this moment listening to a Boston Pops disc that contains Pablo Moncayo's Huapango. Can you tell us what composers are popular where you are? If so, please post on "Musical Notes". Thanks.
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Re: What's your area of living famous for?

Postby Serenity » Wed Jul 09, 2003 11:01 pm

Bienvenido Miles...y Viva La Raza!
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Re: What's your area of living famous for?

Postby lliam » Fri Aug 22, 2003 9:42 am

Gone to Erics forum.

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Re: What's your area of living famous for?

Postby Selma in Sandy Eggo » Fri Aug 22, 2003 10:29 am

Let's see; start in Southern California.

We have smog. We have earthquakes. We have suicidal drugged loonies shutting down major freeways at rush hour. We have Turistas Japones. The hills are brown and dusty and the lake has cows where there should be fish. Don't come to Southern California in August. Bad move.

Come to Sandy Eggo in April. We're much nicer then. The rain will have greened up the hills and the wildflowers will be blooming. The lake should have some water in it. The rain washes the smog out of the air.

Can't do anything about the loonies or the earthquakes or the other tourists. But the tourists become a local feature and we just work around them; loonies are traditional in the Land of Fruits and Nuts; earthquakes we score by richter number and argue over the epicenter. It takes a 7 or better to even get us out of our computer chairs.

If you feel like making a side trip to Arizona, the Zonies will let you visit the London Bridge, at Lake Havasu.

Bring money. Plan to spend it. You'll have to pay for gas. We have Sea World, the Zoo, the Wild Animal Park (you'll find out what the Wgasa Bush Line is really named for) Lego Land, several decent beaches, a large desert, and some pathetic hills pretending to be mountains. Don't plan to swim in the Children's Pool in La Jolla. The sea lions have hijacked it.

Ben o'Denver has the good mountains. Until you've driven through the Rockies, you've never seen our mountains. Expect deer and elk and buffalo.

From Sandy Eggo, you can drive north for about six hours and find Las Vegas. It can be bypassed entirely or stopped at for as long as suits you. Then go a northeast to the Four Corners and see the lava ridges and Ship Rock. A stop at the arches in Utah might be nice. Chaco Canyon and the cliff dwellings. Then on to Durango, up and over and through the Rockies (stop at Grand Junction to catch your breath) through the Eisenhower tunnel, then down the long grade into the Denver and the Great Plains.

I could build you an itinerary featuring "national parks with scenery"; or "places to play", or "quilt shops" (I highly recommend Animas Quilts in Durango). Or there's the excellent "Places where Selma has relatives" itinerary, but you're probably not interested in that one.

You can spend months doing a leisurely wander through the various sights and events. October Balloon Festival in Albuquerque, for instance, will astonish you. Hundreds of hot-air balloons. All at once.

Garlic Festival in Gilroy. Chili Week in Hatch.

And you'll have never seen New England
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Re: What's your area of living famous for?

Postby dkm32 » Fri Aug 22, 2003 4:19 pm

Originally posted by Selma in San Diego:

Garlic Festival in Gilroy.
..that now imports it's garlic from China. :(
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Re: What's your area of living famous for?

Postby Selma in Sandy Eggo » Fri Aug 22, 2003 4:30 pm

I dunno, Donna. We have family in San Jose and drive through Gilroy every time we go up. Sure looks and smells like real garlic to me. Fields had all these onion-looking sprouts that got bigger and onionier and then died back, but they don't smell like onion. Might be garlic, eh?

I love Gilroy. Deep breathing happens every time I go through. It smells great!
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Re: What's your area of living famous for?

Postby Angie Parkes » Sat Aug 23, 2003 12:03 am

Best known for the Calgary Stampede, gateway to Banff and Lake Louise, host city of the 1988 Winter Olympics

...and of course, the hippo races.

Chuckwagon racing at Stampede
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Moriane Lake, Banff
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Lake Louise
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Re: What's your area of living famous for?

Postby dkm32 » Sat Aug 23, 2003 4:45 pm

Originally posted by Selma in San Diego:
I dunno, Donna. We have family in San Jose and drive through Gilroy every time we go up. Sure looks and smells like real garlic to me.
I'm afraid it's true:

Copyright SAN DIEGO UNION TRIBUNE PUBLISHING COMPANY Jul 23, 2003


GILROY -- Don Christopher's garlic fields have survived droughts and El Nino, gophers and beetles, white mold and roundworm.

But the founder of Christopher Ranch, the nation's largest garlic producer, says low-priced exports from China could doom U.S. commercial production of the pungent bulb -- unless U.S. farmers adopt dramatic, if seemingly unpatriotic, measures.

After more than a decade of lobbying politicians for tariffs and trade regulations to ward off Chinese exports, Christopher Ranch began importing garlic from China last week. Christopher's largest competitor, The Garlic Company, will begin importing Chinese garlic this week. Smaller farms are expected to follow.

Christopher, whose Gilroy-based company spent $400,000 last year on attorneys and lobbyists to fight Chinese exports, said he considered the move "unthinkable" even six months ago. But the dramatic rise in exports from China in recent months has driven wholesale prices so low that customers -- including restaurants and grocery chains -- demanded bulbs for less money than they cost to produce.

"We've held off the Chinese for 12 years, but now it's time to give up," Christopher said last Friday as he surveyed a dusty garlic plot in nearly 100-degree heat. "We know there's a market for California-grown garlic. But if you look at history, people always go for the least expensive price. There are no secrets to the garlic business -- it's all about price."

China's growing market share has harvested a mild but palatable sense of disappointment in Gilroy, 30 miles south of San Jose, which has been losing garlic market share for a half-decade. A white mold scourge decimated Gilroy garlic in the late 1990s, when California's Central Valley, Nevada and Oregon filled the void.

Gilroy still anoints an annual Garlic Queen, sends young pickers to college on garlic scholarships and will host 100,000 visitors to the 25th annual Gilroy Garlic Festival this weekend.

But it's unclear how long the city can hold on to its self- proclaimed status as "Garlic Capital of the World." China produces 66 percent of the world's supply of garlic, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, while the United States produces 3 percent. Nearly 70 percent of garlic sold in the United States during the off-peak winter and spring comes from overseas, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.

"Things evolve," said Gilroy Mayor Tom Springer, an IBM software engineer who is trying to reposition Gilroy from an agricultural backwater to a Silicon Valley biomedical hub with affordable land for technology labs and research parks. "We'll keep celebrating garlic, even if it's our heritage, and even if China is the world's biggest garlic region."

Garlic was ripe for Chinese domination because the 5,000-year- old plant, classified as both an herb and vegetable, has a shelf life up to nine months. It can be easily stored and shipped around the world.

Economists say all but the most perishable crops will be imported within a decade -- and the American farmer will become a defunct lifestyle. Cheap foreign labor could even threaten giant agribusinesses in the United States, they say.

"Should American consumers pay more for garlic simply because of a policy that bans Chinese garlic or simply because we want to save Christopher Ranch?" asked Steve Levy, director of the Palo Alto- based Center for Continuing Study of the California Economy. "People shouldn't deny that free trade has no collateral damage. But these farmers are stuck in the middle of a human tragedy, not an economic tragedy."

The decline in U.S. commercial garlic production has been swift. The average American consumed 3.1 pounds of garlic in 1999, nearly three times consumption in 1989, thanks to spicier palates and an influx of garlic-eating immigrants from Southeast Asia and Mexico. Garlic demand grew faster than demand for any other vegetable in the 1990s.

But domestic farmers began struggling shortly after the first Chinese bulbs came to the United States in 1993, when they underpriced American garlic despite tariffs of 376 percent. Growers say the bullish free-trade policies of the Bush administration, and loopholes that eliminate tariffs, could speed their demise.

Christopher Ranch, which produces nearly one in three bulbs sold nationwide, will produce 70 million pounds of garlic this year, down 30 percent from the 100 million pounds it produced five years ago. The company plans to produce 55 million pounds in 2004.

The Garlic Co. will produce 2 million pounds of garlic this year - - one-fifth of its 10 million pounds four years ago. The Bakersfield-based business must pay taxes, labor and maintenance on acreage, stainless steel processors, cold storage facilities and headquarters -- even when it's not selling garlic at a profit.

"If you're not running product through there, you still have those costs," said Joe Lane, a partner at The Garlic Co. "We're importing out of necessity. It was a difficult decision."

Hundreds of thousands of pounds of Chinese garlic arrive in California, Florida and New Jersey on container ships. Buyers such as Christopher Ranch then sell it to wholesalers, grocery stores and restaurants.

By law, Chinese garlic must meet standards set by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which monitors sulfite, lead and arsenic. It should be labeled "product of China."

Chinese and American garlic taste similar. Chinese cloves are the same size and firmness as the "California White" that dominates U.S. store shelves, but Chinese garlic often has a tough, inedible stem shooting up from the center.

American garlic sells wholesale for 60 cents to 80 cents per pound, compared with 40 cents to 50 cents per pound for Chinese exports.

The average Chinese laborer gets about $1 per day, compared with about $8.50 per hour in California. China's low wages have hampered exports from Mexico, where workers average about $5 per day.

Christopher, 68, a third-generation garlic farmer, said the withering of his industry makes it easier to cede his business to his son, Bill. The company will focus on mechanical processing -- pressing garlic into oil or other products -- and peeled and organic cloves, which consumers are willing to pay more for.

"I'm a realist," Bill Christopher said. "When we have our customers telling us, `We want to buy Chinese garlic,' it doesn't give us a choice."
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Re: What's your area of living famous for?

Postby dai bread » Sun Aug 24, 2003 7:30 pm

Sometimes I wonder which country I live in. I go down this town's main street and wonder if I've somehow been transferred to S.E.Asia. Then I read an article like Donna's and wonder if I live in the U.S.A.

Our garlic growers have exactly the same problem, and like Americans, we find the Chinese garlic has a tough centre stem. We also find it a bit flavourless compared to the NZ product, so we buy local even if it is dearer. :)
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Re: What's your area of living famous for?

Postby dkm32 » Mon Aug 25, 2003 4:55 pm

Believe it or nor, I grow my own garlic! It is so easy, it's unreal.

So, I know a bit about garlic. There are two subspecies of garlic: saticum (softneck) and ophioscorodon (hardneck). Within each subspecies there are sub varierties and subvarieties up to kazoo. Hardnecks are an older, wilder type.

Hardneck produce a small aerial cloves (bulbils) on a flower stalk. Softneck have pretty much lost the ability to produce the flower stalk and produce larger bulbils. However, if stressed, they will produce the stalk. Hardneck bulbils are uniform in size and nicely surround the stalk. Softneck are not uniform and grown haphazardly in the head. Softneck are what you commonly find in the stores.

Now, as to China and their garlic. I suspect, but have no documentation for this, they either grow hardneck or their softneck is stressed. I would guess the latter.

If interested, Filaree Farm of Okanogan, Wa is my source of organic garlic for planting. Wonderful people. Taught me everything I know about growing the little fellas.
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