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Re: OperaTenor

Postby Judybug » Wed May 21, 2003 3:55 pm

OT,

Thanks for the progress report. So glad you're recovery is progressing. It sounds like your days of the leisurely gentleman may be coming to an end sometime soon.
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Re: OperaTenor

Postby OperaTenor » Wed May 21, 2003 5:10 pm

Can't wait!
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Re: OperaTenor

Postby Gaby » Thu May 22, 2003 1:27 pm

I am so glad you are ok , OT! I had no idea how badly hurt you were. Recovery is a long and ardeous road, but once you're there, it will feel sooooo very good!
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Re: OperaTenor

Postby OperaTenor » Thu May 22, 2003 3:49 pm

Thanks.
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Re: OperaTenor

Postby dkm32 » Sat May 24, 2003 4:41 pm

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Re: OperaTenor

Postby OperaTenor » Sat May 24, 2003 5:30 pm

Very funny, Donna! ;)
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Re: OperaTenor

Postby dkm32 » Sat May 24, 2003 5:40 pm

Off stage, right. With a shot gun to the head of the soprano. :eek:
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Re: OperaTenor

Postby OperaTenor » Sun May 25, 2003 1:05 am

Is that your idea of treatment befitting a soprano? :D
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Re: OperaTenor

Postby dkm32 » Sun May 25, 2003 2:20 pm

From the sounds of things on this BBB, several people share that thought! :eek:
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Re: OperaTenor

Postby OperaTenor » Sun May 25, 2003 4:03 pm

BTW, Donna, love your new quote!
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Re: OperaTenor

Postby dkm32 » Sun May 25, 2003 6:11 pm

Originally posted by operatenor:
BTW, Donna, love your new quote!
Thanks, OT. Have a Hamms on me! ;)
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Re: OperaTenor

Postby OperaTenor » Mon Jul 14, 2003 7:03 pm

Just when you thought this thread had died a quiet, painless death....

Just in case any of you are curious, an update: I'm now in out patient physical therapy (thanks to my HMO, it only took five weeks to get it started), and I'm making steady progress. My infection is long gone, so now I don't need any pain medication and my general sense of well-being is loads better. Even though my ortho is ecstatic about my progress, I am still fully disabled and he doesn't make any speculations about when that status will change. As for the Europe trip, I asked him on three separate occasions if I could go and he never gave me an answer, so I'm adopting the "don't ask, don't tell" policy and going. I kind of got the impression that's where he was going with the issue as well.

As for the other part of this saga, I want to spread some bad publicity about a truly deserving entity. :mad: The kid who hit me and his family had a small insurance policy ($100,000 liability limit), and my lawyer and the three others I've discussed this with agree that it's an exercise in futility to try to get anything else from them, as they have no assets to speak of, and I'm not that keen on booting them out of their house. From the start, their insurance provider has offered to settle this case for the full liability limit, and we have accepted their offer. In steps Palomar Pomerado Hospital, where I was first taken and spent my first nine days. In the interest of what they refer to as "balanced billing", they have attached a lien to my settlement, even though I have health insurance, and my insurance has already paid them their negotiated amount. Their argument is that, since they have to negotiate with the insurance company, they should be entitled to at least a portion of my settlement to offset their loss (the amount they are trying to get is approx. $33,900).

Common knowledge: Health care providers in this country artificially inflate their prices in the knowledge they will negotiate down with insurance companies, and add superfluous charges to the bill, also with that in mind. It has also been revealed that the real goal behind these liens is to offset the losses incurred by treating indigent patients(who, incidentally, receive better care than I do with my HMO!).

Palomar Hospital's own lawyer agreed to release the settlement provided we hold in trust the maximum amount they can steal....uh, I mean, recover from my settlement, pending two U.S. Supreme Court decisions affecting the legality of these liens. Palomar Hospital has subsequently rescinded that agreement, continuing to deny me access to my settlement. They are trying to pressure me into agreeing to turn over money to them before the Court decisions come down in case the decisions come out against them (and then they get squat).

Their lawyers also acknowledged to my lawyer that my need to be compensated for lost wages, my lost job, and my material loss, let alone pain and suffering, outweighs Palomar Hospital's desire for more compensation.

To me this is a case of blatant double-dipping and outright greed. I, by being insured, have tried to do the right thing in having that coverage, and now they want to be paid twice from me to cover someone else who doesn't have my level of self-responsibility, for whatever reason.

To address their reasoning, if their negotiated prices aren't profitable enough for them, maybe they need to find themselves better negotiators!

My lawyer has advised me that, instead of going into someone's office with a chainsaw and cutting their desk in half(my idea), to go one step further. If Palomar Hospital continues to pursue this stalling, we will go to a local TV news consumer advocate (we're thinking Turko, for you SD locals) with this story.

Last week Dick Gephart(sp?) suggested that President Bush take that tax cut and buy everyone health insurance. Doesn't seem so far fetched in light of the above, does it?

BTW, I've always, and continue to be, a staunch advocate of single-payor health insurance. Health insurance companies are not in the business of taking care of you and me. They are in the business of making a profit. And now it seems health care providers are following suit.

Thanks, I feel a little better now.
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Re: OperaTenor

Postby Marye » Tue Jul 15, 2003 8:24 am

Oh my OT :( :( such a nightmare..... I am sorry. :(
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Re: OperaTenor

Postby Selma in Sandy Eggo » Tue Jul 15, 2003 8:59 am

Yup, yup. Too true

Took my HMO four weeks to approve my husband's two-hour surgery. From which the hospital sent him home the following day.

I'm waiting to see what the hospital bill came to - we won't have to pay it, as we had only a $100 dollar copay, but I'm still interested to see what the bill came up to.

It is no surprise that the health-care industry is, in fact, an industry. And health insurance turns a tidy profit for the insurance companies, too. Socialized medicine, anyone?

I think the kid that hit OT should have to do some kind of compensatory payback. Five years fetch-and-carry and cleanup in an emergency room or morgue would just about do it.
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Re: OperaTenor

Postby OperaTenor » Tue Jul 15, 2003 11:22 am

Mary, Lliam, DB, Ludovica, etc., how do you folks feel about your health care systems? Do you get what you need when you need it?

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Re: OperaTenor

Postby barfle » Tue Jul 15, 2003 11:40 am

OT, being one of those who believes in personal responsibility, I feel you are letting the little creep off way too easy. He owes you, and he owes you a lot. Even if he doesn't have it now, he can be expected to earn it in the future. If that means mom & dad have to get another mortgage, that's too bad for them. The fact that you seem to feel charitable toward them simply means that someone who is totally innocent is going to end up paying more.

I barely comprehend hospitals providing free care for those too stupid to take responsibility for themselves. They are gambling, and they are losing. It's not your fault (unless you did something you're not telling us about...) so having them charge you for their own idea of charity is dishonest.

The overcharge and negotiate tactic also seems more than a little dishonest. There's no way someone can make an informed decision as to who should provide their care if prices are determined after the fact.

I was going to add my own political philosophy about "single payer" health coverage, but I suppose you could figure out where I'm coming from by my comments above.

I actually believe that people should contract with a provider to deal with their health and injury issues. You send them a prearranged amount, they provide you with the checkups, preventative treatments when appropriate, and when that doesn't work, they fix you. Of course, I don't know of any insurance that actually works that way - HMOs are misnamed.
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Re: OperaTenor

Postby Marye » Tue Jul 15, 2003 11:44 am

Well, I think I am very fortunate with regard to Health Care. When I needed acute medical attention I jumped the queue and went to the head of the line as I should hope all ghastly ill people are treated. I am never handed an itemized bill when I leave hospital or a doctor's office. I am covered through my taxes for everything - well almost, some specific surgeries, cosmetic in particular are not covered (nor should they be) unless it is a medical condition. But many Canadians truly cry foul over the line ups and the waiting for care and at times it is a long wait, but to me it is a small price to pay. Everyone - street souls too, are cared for.

So in comparison: I receive a great deal thus I am very thankful.
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Re: OperaTenor

Postby OperaTenor » Tue Jul 15, 2003 11:50 am

Hi Barfle,

Going after the kid and his parents for anything more was determined to be an exercise in futility. My understanding is the way things are structured here in California now, they can shuck and jive legally to the point where I would end up getting less than I would be otherwise due to cost associated with taking it to the successive levels in the legal system.

As far as how the hospitals are getting paid for what they do, I don't believe moral high ground even enters into their thought process. It's simply a matter of utilizing every and any loophole at their disposal to pursue any avenue of revenue aquisition.

If health care costs were reasonable, your system would probably work, IMHO.

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Re: OperaTenor

Postby dkm32 » Tue Jul 15, 2003 11:50 am

I believe Palomar/Pomerado is being sued over this issue. There was an article in the SD Union a few months ago about that...I thought I e-mailed it to you, but maybe not. I'll see if I can find it. I think (but not 100% sure) that once the hospital gets paid by the insurance company they usually drop the lean aginst the person. I'll see if I can find the article.
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Re: OperaTenor

Postby dkm32 » Tue Jul 15, 2003 11:56 am

I agree 100% Barfle!!

I think the kid and/or his parent should pay more! If were a just world the hospital should go aften them instead of OT. But, I think OT should get more too!
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