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Postby Selma in Sandy Eggo » Thu May 10, 2007 8:46 am

treebeau wrote:You know how restaurant owners put photos of celebrities on their walls? Well, you should get Fat Ivors to put up pictures of all the B.com visitors that you have brought. And I want to be one of those pictures some day..

So, am I picking you up at the airport Saturday morning? You can bring the boy - we'll let him climb the big rock in Fat Ivor's parking lot, between the spaces and the farm equipment rental place next door.

Fat Ivors pretty much limits the wall decor to "cowboy" and "John Wayne", though.
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Postby OperaTenor » Thu May 10, 2007 9:33 am

treebeau wrote:You know how restaurant owners put photos of celebrities on their walls? Well, you should get Fat Ivors to put up pictures of all the B.com visitors that you have brought. And I want to be one of those pictures some day.

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Postby EJA_2 » Tue May 15, 2007 7:44 pm

A big thanks to OT and Piq for their hospitality and generosity. You guys outdid yourselves! We really enjoyed our visit to San Diego and you guys made our activities there possible. We could not have done a tenth as many things without your facilitation. Yours is a lovely city and I can tell that you love it. Altoid is adorable. In the terrible twos she is curiously strong willed, but she is fortunate to have parents who care enough about her to impose morality upon her.

Thanks to Selma for transportation and company as well. I wish I could have more sharply matched wits with you as at times on this board, but I was pretty dulled by lack of sleep. Still it was great to have your instant answer capabilities. The bells and whistles on your automobile are pretty cool too.

Thanks to the Great Carouser for getting me into the zoo (I'm just glad that I made it back out without being recaptured and penned) and for indulging our beach visit. Until I met you in person, I didn't realize what a subtle and wry sense of humor you have. I wish I had taken more time to get acquainted with you. Altoid is lucky to have such a doting "uncle."

To all those who didn't attend Randomized, we missed you. Due to my desire to see a SoCal beach, we passed on the normally obligatory Fat Ivor's. Instead, OT got some excellent Mexican takeout at Rubios and we took it to the beach. Fish Tacos! :D The beach was busy, but the sand was warm, and the water wasn't as chilling as it is here in the northwest.

We'll have to do it again sometime.
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Postby piqaboo » Fri May 18, 2007 11:43 am

I'm glad you all had fun. The zoo called, asking when you were coming back to finish the job.

EJA wrote:In the terrible twos she is curiously strong willed,

Oh my. Altoid's actually very easy going & cooperative for her age. When the time comes, you may find fatherhood interesting....
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Postby EJA_2 » Fri May 18, 2007 12:18 pm

Piq,

I think Altoid is very well-behaved for her age. It's just interesting to see the will manifesting itself. I think that you guys are doing a great job of dealing with it gently but firmly. She is a sweet little child and is fortunate to have such great parents.

Fatherhood is quite daunting to me. Being responsible for something, or rather someone, over whom one has only limited control is intimidating. I will never feel ready for it. I have a brother who is 11 years younger than I so I have some idea of what to expect. As a result, I have been reticent to plunge into having a family, not because I wouldn't like it, but because I don't want to do a bad job as a parent. The world would be a better place if more parents were as seasoned as you and OT.
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Postby piqaboo » Fri May 18, 2007 12:43 pm

Its scary as all hell.
You'll do fine.
Straight talk is the key, so far as I can tell, and you seem to handle that well.
Interestingly, the baby is the person. The personality doesnt change. Paying attention in the first months will give you major heads up on how to handle the future, as the issues move beyond hunger & comfort. You'll know if you are going to have a 2-year old who needs a lot of advance notice of changes, or one who embraces them, one who needs to have their own way most of the time, or one who goes with the flow unless its really important. Fortunately, her teaching us about herself back then makes it a lot easier now to set the stage so that Altoid is the one choosing - between options acceptable to us - and to ensure she gets enough advance notice to change paces relatively cheerfully.My nephew is a whole different kind of guy - much more amenable to sudden changes and abrupt endings. It was hard to tell that about him during the first 3 months as he was one of the 'colicky' ones - he cried a TON. Once he got thru that tho, he was ready to show us just exactly what kinda guy he is.

We dont hear much about that re kids, but breeders do standardized personality tests on puppies at 7 weeks of age, to help determine appropriate placements (this mostly for large aggressive-tending breeds).

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Postby EJA_2 » Fri May 18, 2007 2:04 pm

I bet mamma dogs don't need a standardized personality test to know all about their puppies. We need them because we aren't momma dogs (Man, I'd love to use a different word there but I'm not sure about the present condition of the flame-retardent suit). Hopefully the same applies to humans and their babies.

Doggie personality is something that I am interested in at the moment because we have five five-week-old puppies. I want to keep one and I am trying to decide which one. Miss Moonie is really aggressive, energetic, outgoing, friendly and smart. Mr. Moonie is not quite as friendly, not quite as smart, but probably just as energetic and aggressive. Both Moonies really want to please. T-bone is friendly but more laid back and bordering on stupid. Winnie is sweet and cudly and willing to please, but a little shy. Earl is the loner of the group. He is very cudly and loves to be petted, but he doesn't gallop up to you like the Moonies do. He does his own thing and spends a lot of time by himself. He is smart too, but doesn't use his smarts for social purposes. I find that I like Miss Moonie the best at the moment, with Earl as a close second--strange because they are polar opposites--and yet I think Mr. Moonie might be the most practical choice. Miss Moonie is so smart and energetic that she will be a handful. I don't really like dimwitted dogs (T-bone comes to mind); I want a little zip. Earl is probably too needy for my taste. Winnie is a sweetheart and would make a good pet, but probably wouldn't be great for work. These are herding dogs, so a certain amount of agressiveness is necessary. Their mother is almost too timid for work--she'll handle sheep and goats, but is terrified of cattle. So I guess I like the Moonies.

Sorry for the thread hijack. The dog personality comment tripped my mind.
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Postby OperaTenor » Fri May 18, 2007 2:31 pm

Geez Ethan, my apologies for not writing you yet. Right now, it seems like I haven't had time for anything, and I can't even blame it on blowing time at the computer.

Yup, you really do have to come back and finish the job, and there's a plate of ribs waiting for you.

Hurry back and stay longer whenever you can.
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Postby Selma in Sandy Eggo » Fri May 18, 2007 10:40 pm

EJA wrote: I think Altoid is very well-behaved for her age. It's just interesting to see the will manifesting itself...


As Terrible Twos go, the Altoid is amazingly easy. It's clear that she's already learned about negotiation, already learned that tantrums are NOT an effective strategem, that whining is a losing proposition. For the rest, Melle finds that raising a toddler is very much like raising a dog. I agree. Pay attention to their needs, praise behavior you like, frown at behavior you dislike, "don't see" behavior you dislike but cannot immediately discourage. Arrange their world so that all the available choices are OK with you, then let them choose freely. Be consistent. Apologise when you mess up. Keep promises.

Being fair does not mean all the children get the same thing. Being fair means that all the childrens' needs are met, as far as it is in your power. This often means that one goes to Little League, another goes to gymnastics, and the third (oh, the horror) goes to violin lessons.

You do not have to parent the way your parents raised you. You're raising a different child than they raised, and will end up with an adult who is different than the one(s) they ended up with. Do what works - which may not at all resemble what you remember.

See? In broad, does this not resemble raising a puppy? You can raise a puppy.

BTW, with the puppies, if it's to be a working dog, I'd go with the brighter of the aggressive pups. My nephew's roomie has a Border Collie, and that dog can herd cats. Literally. Four or five of them at a time (not Bob Morgan, though. He cheats, goes straight up, tiptoes across the tops of furniture and appliances, and goes to earth under a low bed.) I'd love to see her with a bunch of ducks. Or even some sheeps.

Change of subject. Sandy Eggo needs a lot more than two days to be properly seen. The zoo is waiting for you to come back and finish - that walk-through flight cage takes me two or three hours to get through - and then you have a LONG day's visit at the Wild Animal Park to enjoy. Moonlight Beach in Encinitas is my personal favorite of all the available beaches, with La Jolla Shores a close second, and the rocks around La Jolla Cove a worthwhile side trip. Climb my hill in Mission Trails park, and see just how much city is all around you. You can see out to sea, and inland way into the (modest) local mountains.

Now that we know your tastes, we'll have a garden and wildflower botanical guide ready. With pictures. So I don't have to say "What kind of palm is it? I dunno, probably the messy kind with rats."

And there's a plate of ribs waiting for you.
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Postby Selma in Sandy Eggo » Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:27 am

Announcement: My kid's school has a student-operated restaurant that serves dinner from 6:30 to 8:00, on Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday. I've had the veal and the chicken so far and been most impressed. The beef and fish are as yet untried.

Food is cooked by student chefs, service is by student chefs, management is by school faculty. Prices are about Outback-range or a tad less.

There's no music in the restaurant so if we decide to make a Random visit we'll have to provide our own singing, or kazoos, or accordions, or something.
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Postby piqaboo » Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:07 pm

Wed the 1st is Altoid's 3rd bday. Is the restaurant small-child friendly?

(I know technically Altoid can be called a toddler, but after watching her for 30 seconds, no one wants to).
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Postby Selma in Sandy Eggo » Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:17 pm

No booster chairs. If the child in question is likely to remain at the table and not howl, I think they could deal.

I mean, there's real cloth tablecloths on the table, but there's paper covers over them. I don't know if they've got milk to drink (eck. Not that I'd want any.) but I know they can do passion-fruit iced tea. :yum:

Question is: would Altoid like a birthday at a restaurant where she has to behave well? Or would she really rather run wild at Fat Ivor's?
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Postby piqaboo » Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:34 pm

My original plan was a 'picnic' at home, so I dunno.

She doesnt do booster seats. They are too slippery. She either kneels, or recently, sits!

Ah well, my brain is only half available. The other half is preparing his voice for tonight.
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Re: Randomized aka....

Postby GreatCarouser » Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:46 am

This thread has been dead for too long..........
Who wants ribs?
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Re: Randomized aka....

Postby Selma in Sandy Eggo » Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:56 am

GreatCarouser wrote:This thread has been dead for too long...

Just resting. Honest. Not dead.

GreatCarouser wrote:Who wants ribs?

Ribs sounds good. Thursday's taken, though. Doubt anyone will have much appetite Friday. Who's in town on Saturday?
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Re: Randomized aka....

Postby GreatCarouser » Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:40 am

I'm in town Saturday
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Re: Randomized aka....

Postby piqaboo » Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:13 pm

I suspect, but cant swear to, that OT could be pursuaded to a late lunch of ribs on Sunday. He gets out of church around noon.

Last time we went up, OT brought a print of the Altoid at her first rib fest. As a result, we met Mrs Fat Ivor, who's a nice lady.
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Re: Randomized aka....

Postby Haggis@wk » Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:28 pm

piqaboo wrote:I suspect, but cant swear to, that OT could be pursuaded to a late lunch of ribs on Sunday. He gets out of church around noon.

Last time we went up, OT brought a print of the Altoid at her first rib fest. As a result, we met Mrs Fat Ivor, who's a nice lady.


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Re: Randomized aka....

Postby piqaboo » Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:49 pm

Haggis@wk wrote:
piqaboo wrote:I suspect, but cant swear to, that OT could be pursuaded to a late lunch of ribs on Sunday. He gets out of church around noon.

Last time we went up, OT brought a print of the Altoid at her first rib fest. As a result, we met Mrs Fat Ivor, who's a nice lady.


[drool] You are all b*****ds, B*******DS! I say!!!![/drool]


Y'all just gotta throw that redhaired medically inclined yank with attitude on a plane and come for a visit!
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Re: Randomized aka....

Postby GreatCarouser » Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:49 am

Sunday works for GC.........Selma?

Remind OT to change first........

Happy thanksgiving btw
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