Moral Values?

[treebeau]

Originally posted by piqaboo:
...Rosa Parks...
My thinking may be colored...

LOL, good one!!

Regards,
Tim "happy again" B.

<small>[ 11-10-2004, 04:47 PM: Message edited by: treebeau ]</small>

[piqaboo]

Oh dear....and now you've started me to thinking that this kind of case is never black and white....

Tim, Im filing suit for damages due to mental distress.
piq "building up the worth of that hand" a boo.

[Serenity]

Votes in favor or against deleting this thread?

[Nicole Marie]

Let's keep this one. I'd like to delete the entire Beethoven Barracks. Any votes on that one?

[RC]

My vote: Keep em both.

Serenity, I am thoroughly enjoying reading your posts here.

We have similar interests it appears.

[Serenity]

Thank you both.

I had planned on reviewing the board to try and summarize some sweeping pros and cons on GWB; maybe catch him on inconsistencies. There are over 15 threads with hundreds of posts. I don't have time for that! I think I'll just poke fun at him whenever the mood suits me.

[Serenity]

The term "antichrist' was first used in the most recent books of the Bible, ( 1 John 2:18) " many antichrists have made their appearance." For the early Christians, all those working against the spirit of Jesus Christ were considered antichrists. As Jesus said ( Mat 12:30) "He that is not with me is against me."

At the same time, the early church believed that there would be one individual, a single man whose evil deeds would far exceed all the others; and that this individual would make his appearance just before the second coming of Jesus. Jesus called him ( Mark 13:14) "the abomination of desolation" Paul referred to him as the ( 2 thess 2:3) "man of sin" and "son of perdition". John in his letter and in his Revelation to the church called him "the beast" or "antichrist."

All reputable scholars today believe that the antichrist in the book of Revelation was Nero, emperor of Rome from 54 - 68 AD. Nero persecuted the church with a vengeance, blaming Christians for the burning of Rome, and torturing them to death in the Forum. They became the first Christian martyrs. After Nero was forced to commit suicide, it was widely believed that Nero was still alive in Parthia (the middle east), hiding out (much like Elvis), and that he would return to reclaim his throne. As late as the fifth century AD, Lactantius (240-320 A.D.), Jerome (340-420 A.D.) and St. Augustine (354-430 A.D.) all still believed that the Antichrist would turn out to be a resuscitated Nero. That is what is meant when ( Revelation 13:12) says "the beast, whose fatal (and suicidal) wound has been healed."

The life and career of George W Bush parallels that of Nero in many ways. They were both born into wealthy and politically powerful families . They have both led a very dissolute (#1 - lust, one of the seven deadly sins) and drunken life (#2 - gluttony, excessive consumption) . Both avoided military service. Both are extremely lazy, spending most of their time vacationing outside Rome/Washington DC (#3 - sloth). They both have bad tempers ( #4 - anger) and exhibit great cruelty, having many people executed. They are both arrogant and dictatorial (#5 - pride). Nero fiddled while Rome burned, Bush took the longest vacation in presidential history just before the 9-11 attack, and when he found out the World Trade Center was burning he fled to Nebraska to hide. They both portray themselves as "compassionate conservatives" - pretending to care for the poor in order to gain political favor, at the same time bankrupting the national treasury on behalf of themselves and their rich friends (#6 -greed). Nero liked to pretend he was a great artist, bush pretends he's a Texas country boy. They both came to power illegitimately, when their mother/brother helped them cheat the legitimate winner of the election -Gore, of their rightful office (#7 - envy, the last of the seven deadly sins).

[treebeau]

LOL.

Reads like the Lincoln/Kennedy thing.

Regards,
Tim B.

[barfle]

Serenity, you listed my hobbies as though they were bad things...

[shostakovich]

Hmmmm, the Evil People book started with Caligula and Nero. Maybe the next edition will include W. He's got 4 more years to become MVP of the book.
Shos

[BenODen]

Delete all of Beethoven Barracks, how drastic! It's where some of the non-classical threads end up. Hmm, maybe a renaming is in order instead to attract more of the non-classical threada? Nationalism Central? Great Accomplishemnts? Hmm, maybe a tie-in to classical music and current events?

Hmm...

[piqaboo]

originally posted by Serenity:
Bush took the longest vacation in presidential history just before the 9-11 attack, and when he found out the World Trade Center was burning he fled to Nebraska to hide

Timing of vacation irrelevant. Unless...do you think Bush is psychic? Re Nebraska: He should sit in DC and wait to be a target? <well,yeah, I wouldnt have minded, but it does seem that would be a dumb thing for a US President to do when the country's under attack...>

Votes in favor or against deleting this thread?

Why would this one be deleted?
:confused: :confused: :confused:

[Serenity]

Just conducting a poll.

[Serenity]

When disobeying the government is OK according the the Valley Bible Church:

http://valleybible.net/resources/PositionPapers/TheChurchAndGovernment.shtml

[BigJon]

Opposed

BigJon

[PH]

I'm new to this thread and find it very interesting to see so many definitions of morality discussed. I would like to throw in my point of view which has nothing to do with religion but world economics. We have the luxury of quibbling about doing the right thing because we have our fundamental needs met.
Say goodbye to the cheap and plentiful oil supplies of the last three decades. Surging demand from developing nations, including China and India, and the insatiable appetite of Americans have sopped up most of the worlds excess capacity.
Today, it takes 81 million barrels a day to keep lights on and engines running around the world. Thats only about 1.5 million barrels less than is being produced, according to the Cambridge Energy Research Assoc. That tiny amount of spare capacity leaves us more vulnerable than ever to supply disruptions.
It shouldnt be any surprise now that the US is building three major military bases in Iraq.
John Kerry was fully aware of these details and was reluctant to have a contrasting agenda to keeping troops in Iraq.
As far as morality is concerned I quote Tony Soprano "It's tought being boss"...indeed

[OperaTenor]

No PH, you've got it all wrong. This isn't about oil, or even money for that matter. This is about unseating a knwown sponsor of global terrorism and stockpiler of WMD's. Or that's what I keep being told.

That's also why we kept those munitions dumps so well guarded....oh, wait, I guess not......or the infrastructure, art, and historic legacy of the country........uh, I guess we didn't do that, either......well, we did take care of the oil ministry part of the infrastructure.......

[RC]

PH "We have the luxury of quibbling about doing the right thing because we have our fundamental needs met."

Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs and Self Actualization.
Good stuff.
Doesn't explain everything but goes a long way.

[RC]

By the way, welcome!

[Shapley]

Serenity,

From the link you submitted:

5. Conclusion

It is better to submit to an evil authority than to submit to the evil of rejecting authority. Since all authority is established by God and since God is sovereign, we should trust Him with the outcome (cf. Proverbs 21:1).

Doesn't sound like a bunch of revolutionaries to me.

V/R

Shapley