American feast we can all tuck in to.

If you would like to post a topic on the Beethoven Bulletin Board but you cannot find an appropriate location... post it here!

Moderator: Nicole Marie

American feast we can all tuck in to.

Postby lliam » Mon Nov 29, 2004 5:20 pm

First it was trick-or-treat, now it's Thanksgiving. The Americanising of Britain marches on. Supermarkets have just reported a boom in turkey sales, suggesting that thousands of British families sat down last week to a traditional Thanksgiving dinner.
That included my family. Traditional stuffing, turkey, pumpkin and pecan pie.
We were the guests of our American neighbours.
And why shouldn't we Brits join in, either with American friends or simply we’ve seen Thanksgiving on Frazier and Friends and like the idea of a turkey feast in these dark November days?
Thanksgiving might be a traditional North American celebration but people who never thought of themselves anything other than English started it.

They were the 44 pioneers who left Plymouth in September 1620 to build a new life in what was called the new World.
Their voyage took two months and when they landed the Pilgrims soon fell victim to starvation and sickness in a harsh New England winter.
By spring nearly half had died. And yet with the help of the local Indians, they rallied and produced a great harvest the following summer. A big local bird, the turkey was hunted and shot and helped save the fragile colony. Three days of feasting were declared, starting on December 13, 1621.
As America grew, states held their own Thanksgiving events. In 1853, President Abraham Lincoln set aside the last Thursday of November as a national Day of Thanksgiving. Canada also celebrate Thanksgiving, but on the second Monday in October.
Thanksgiving is a celebration not only of surviving the elements and helping to create a new nation. It also recalls the thankfulness to the Native Americans who showed them how to farm and hunt. Thanksgiving recipes vary but generally reflect the coming – together of the Pilgrims and the Indians.
The Indian tradition is symbolised with a turkey, cornbread dressing, cranberry sauce, mashed potatoes and pumpkin pie. The Pilgrims English culture is seen in dishes of sweet peas, yeast rolls, butter and whipped cream.
Once a strictly Christian festival, Thanksgiving has become a holiday for Americans of all faiths and most ethnic backgrounds. Russians, Chinese, Vietmenese, Mexicans and millions more immigrants who arrived hundreds of years after the Pilgrims and don’t even speak English still join in the fun.
But there is a ghost at the feast. Thanksgiving is studiously ignored by many Native Americans who recall bitterly how their friendship to the white man was repaid with land grabbing and genocide as the colononists spread westward. At every Thanksgiving dinner there’s the shiver of guilt about the darker side of America’s past.

And yet the holiday unites more than it divides. Our neighbour’s Thanksgiving was a jolly mix of Jews, Muslims, Christians, Atheists and Agnostics.
We ate, sang, read American poetry and generally put the world to rights. We remembered what an enormous world player the Pilgrims’ little land has become. Those turkeys have a lot to answer for. :)

<small>[ 11-29-2004, 05:23 PM: Message edited by: lliam ]</small>
Lliam.

I spent 90% of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted - George Best
lliam
2nd Chair
 
Posts: 1698
Joined: Tue Nov 07, 2000 1:01 am
Location: Darlaston - West - Midlands - U.K.

Re: American feast we can all tuck in to.

Postby Shapley » Mon Nov 29, 2004 5:52 pm

Iliam,

RE:But there is a ghost at the feast. Thanksgiving is studiously ignored by many Native Americans who recall bitterly how their friendship to the white man was repaid with land grabbing and genocide as the colononists spread westward. At every Thanksgiving dinner there’s the shiver of guilt about the darker side of America’s past.

Yeah, and the turkeys are none too happy about it, either! :D

V/R
Shapley
Quod scripsi, scripsi.
Shapley
Patron
 
Posts: 15154
Joined: Wed Nov 13, 2002 1:01 am
Location: Cape Girardeau, MO

Re: American feast we can all tuck in to.

Postby lliam » Tue Nov 30, 2004 1:55 pm

Too right Shap ;) , we've got turkey again for Christmas plus, stuffing, pork, roast potatoes, sprouts, broccoli, peas, thick gravy, red or white wine, Christmas pudding with custard or ice cream or whipped cream, Phew!
Lliam.

I spent 90% of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted - George Best
lliam
2nd Chair
 
Posts: 1698
Joined: Tue Nov 07, 2000 1:01 am
Location: Darlaston - West - Midlands - U.K.

Re: American feast we can all tuck in to.

Postby mmichaelson » Tue Nov 30, 2004 1:58 pm

We're moving on to Ham for Christmas, ourselves. :)
Mandi, Proud Mommy to fawn boxer Sam and two tabby kitties: Chloe and Ty!
mmichaelson
2nd Chair
 
Posts: 1874
Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:01 am
Location: Aggieland (College Station, Tx)

Re: American feast we can all tuck in to.

Postby lliam » Tue Nov 30, 2004 2:10 pm

Originally posted by Saxy Buff:
We're moving on to Ham for Christmas, ourselves. :)
Is that traditional Saxy, or do you just do your own thing?
Lliam.

I spent 90% of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted - George Best
lliam
2nd Chair
 
Posts: 1698
Joined: Tue Nov 07, 2000 1:01 am
Location: Darlaston - West - Midlands - U.K.

Re: American feast we can all tuck in to.

Postby mmichaelson » Tue Nov 30, 2004 2:13 pm

We usually always have turkey for Thanksgiving (kind of an old tradition around here, it seems) :)

So intentional tradition or no, we end up with ham at Christmas just about every other year. . .which suits me just fine.

You should try it Lliam!

(Just PLEASE don't send me any of that awful vegetable tureen that I had in Scotland last summer. BLECH!)

:)
Mandi, Proud Mommy to fawn boxer Sam and two tabby kitties: Chloe and Ty!
mmichaelson
2nd Chair
 
Posts: 1874
Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:01 am
Location: Aggieland (College Station, Tx)

Re: American feast we can all tuck in to.

Postby treebeau » Tue Nov 30, 2004 2:21 pm

Add a little Shupanzigh, and it sounds like a great meal!

Regards,
Tim ;) B.
treebeau
2nd Chair
 
Posts: 2133
Joined: Wed Oct 25, 2000 12:01 am
Location: Winston-Salem, NC, USA

Re: American feast we can all tuck in to.

Postby mmichaelson » Tue Nov 30, 2004 2:26 pm

ugh. Vegetable tureen makes a terrible meal no matter what you're eating it with. It's like gelatinous-spam. Ick.
Mandi, Proud Mommy to fawn boxer Sam and two tabby kitties: Chloe and Ty!
mmichaelson
2nd Chair
 
Posts: 1874
Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:01 am
Location: Aggieland (College Station, Tx)

Re: American feast we can all tuck in to.

Postby Marye » Tue Nov 30, 2004 2:36 pm

LLiam,

I see your Americanisation is incomplete or you would have spelled that AmericaniZation .


:p
Marye
2nd Chair
 
Posts: 1662
Joined: Wed Apr 16, 2003 12:01 am
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Re: American feast we can all tuck in to.

Postby mmichaelson » Tue Nov 30, 2004 5:27 pm

Is there anything wrong with being Americanized? ;)
Mandi, Proud Mommy to fawn boxer Sam and two tabby kitties: Chloe and Ty!
mmichaelson
2nd Chair
 
Posts: 1874
Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:01 am
Location: Aggieland (College Station, Tx)

Re: American feast we can all tuck in to.

Postby Selma in Sandy Eggo » Wed Dec 01, 2004 11:18 am

Have returned from Thanksgiving with sister-in-law's family. The turkey was fine, the stuffing was OK, but rice is just not an adequate replacement for mashed potatos and candied yams.

Second thing I had to do when I got home was bake a yam. Threw a couple of acorn squash into the oven with it, was a happy woman.

Americanized seems to come in more than one flavor.
>^..^<
Selma in Sandy Eggo
1st Chair
 
Posts: 6273
Joined: Thu Dec 12, 2002 1:01 am
Location: San Diego

Re: American feast we can all tuck in to.

Postby RC » Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:29 pm

"LLiam,

I see your Americanisation is incomplete or you would have spelled that AmericaniZation ."

Very astute and clever Marye!
A man is the sum of his actions, of what he has done, of what he can do, Nothing else.
Mahatma Mohandas K. Gandhi
RC
2nd Chair
 
Posts: 1360
Joined: Fri Jun 18, 2004 12:01 am
Location: Florida

Re: American feast we can all tuck in to.

Postby mmichaelson » Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:42 pm

RC: I'm betting you'll be first chair by the end of the week!
Mandi, Proud Mommy to fawn boxer Sam and two tabby kitties: Chloe and Ty!
mmichaelson
2nd Chair
 
Posts: 1874
Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:01 am
Location: Aggieland (College Station, Tx)

Re: American feast we can all tuck in to.

Postby RC » Wed Dec 01, 2004 3:49 pm

lol :D
A man is the sum of his actions, of what he has done, of what he can do, Nothing else.
Mahatma Mohandas K. Gandhi
RC
2nd Chair
 
Posts: 1360
Joined: Fri Jun 18, 2004 12:01 am
Location: Florida

Re: American feast we can all tuck in to.

Postby mmichaelson » Wed Dec 01, 2004 3:56 pm

I've got my money on you, so do me proud!
;)
Mandi, Proud Mommy to fawn boxer Sam and two tabby kitties: Chloe and Ty!
mmichaelson
2nd Chair
 
Posts: 1874
Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:01 am
Location: Aggieland (College Station, Tx)

Re: American feast we can all tuck in to.

Postby Selma in Sandy Eggo » Wed Dec 01, 2004 4:25 pm

Christmas at our house is lefse, stollen, tamales, turkey/ham/rib roast (selection varies), and fruitcake. I like fruitcake. Also pumpkin, pecan, and apple pies. Gil likes pumpkin and apple pies. The cat adores pumpkin pie.

I refuse to make lutefisk or menudo, both of which are traditional and disgusting.
>^..^<
Selma in Sandy Eggo
1st Chair
 
Posts: 6273
Joined: Thu Dec 12, 2002 1:01 am
Location: San Diego

Re: American feast we can all tuck in to.

Postby mpreston » Wed Dec 01, 2004 4:40 pm

Hmmm...SiSE I think you'll have to explain 'lefse' and 'stollen' to me... :confused:

My family typically does the ham and turkey (mmm...makes good sandwiches the next day) and the mountains of christmas cookies that somehow disappear before new year's.
rktktDC
mpreston
5th Chair
 
Posts: 40
Joined: Fri Oct 29, 2004 12:01 am
Location: Fairfax, VA

Re: American feast we can all tuck in to.

Postby mmichaelson » Wed Dec 01, 2004 4:40 pm

Selma, my cat (my female, not my male, as he will NOT touch people food) adores tamales. . .she tried to eat several the other day without me noticing (and failed, I might add).

:)

Thought you'd like to know
Mandi, Proud Mommy to fawn boxer Sam and two tabby kitties: Chloe and Ty!
mmichaelson
2nd Chair
 
Posts: 1874
Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:01 am
Location: Aggieland (College Station, Tx)

Re: American feast we can all tuck in to.

Postby Shapley » Wed Dec 01, 2004 5:14 pm

rktktDC,

Stollen is a German fruit bread. I used to make them for Christmas, but haven't in a couple of years. It is traditionally made on the first day of Advent, then aged until Christmas. It's very rich, and very tasty.

There are some good recipes for Christmas Stollen to be found on the internet. Here's link to some:

http://www.garvick.com/recipesmm/stollen_recipes.htm

I'm not familiar with lefse, but here's a link that might help:

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/8823/lefse.html

V/R
Shapley

<small>[ 12-01-2004, 05:16 PM: Message edited by: Shapley ]</small>
Quod scripsi, scripsi.
Shapley
Patron
 
Posts: 15154
Joined: Wed Nov 13, 2002 1:01 am
Location: Cape Girardeau, MO

Re: American feast we can all tuck in to.

Postby barfle » Wed Dec 01, 2004 5:49 pm

Oooh, Christmas tamales! I'm sooooo jealous!

My wife worked for a man whose wife was Mexican, and she made tamales for all of his employees at Christmas.

I love it when my dinner bites back!
--I know what I like--
barfle
1st Chair
 
Posts: 6123
Joined: Wed Jan 03, 2001 1:01 am
Location: Springfield, Vahjinyah, USA

Next

Return to Culture Connections

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot]