quitting smoking

[lioness]

Originally posted by BigJon:
No, no. Use a mirror at first until your skills improve, but if you hit the pink flesh every time, you won't damage the cornea. But you will be thinking about something other than smoking! [/QB]

like the rubber band around the wrist theory?! niiice! if these patches don't work, i just might try it. MUCH more potent than snapping a rubber band!

[lioness]

thanks Roark!
i went through a lot of those same symptoms last time , with the nausea, but without the vomiting (and i am thankful). i started up again from drinking so that is out of the question (and it sux). working out and the herb coltsfoot seems to help right now. i'll try the cinnamon thing. i loved chewing the stix when I was a kid.

i won't jump out the window... i'll just throw someone else out.

[OperaTenor]

Roark brought up a good point which illustrates just how powerful big business is in our government. There is no good reason why nicotine should be kept legal, especially in light of other illegal substances. It is addicting, lethal and has no redeeming physiological properties whatsoever. There are scads of less harmful and/or addicting substances that are solidly on the bad juju list.



End of rant.

<small>[ 01-26-2005, 10:51 AM: Message edited by: OperaTenor ]</small>

[barfle]

[quote]Originally posted by OperaTenor:
[b] Roark brought up a good point which illustrates just how powerful big business is in our government. There is no good reason why nicotine should be kept legal, especially in light of other illegal substances. It is addicting, lethal and has no redeeming physiological properties whatsoever. There are scads of less harmful and/or addicting substances that are solidly on the bad juju list.

[Marye]

I quit after more than 20 years of smoking. My motivation was the thought that my partner's son (who was living with us for 3 days a week) would be inhaling my smoke. It was one thing to reduce my life expectancy but I did not have the right to reduce his or anyone elses. Maybe there is no conclusive scientific evidence that second hand smoke kills, but I remember scientists saying having the HIV virus did not lead to AIDS.

I stopped smoking for a good reason.

[OperaTenor]

Hi Barfle,

My father, a conservative, WWII Army vet, always thought the gummint was missing the boat by not legalizing marijuana. He cited all the revenues they'd get from taxing it like they do cigarettes and liquor, not to mention the profits gained by the reduction in crime and the increased number of lobbyists.

[Selma in Sandy Eggo]

Lioness; a thought. Did you post the sign yet? The one that says:

I just stopped smoking.
I'm cranky.
Did you really need that today?

and gets prominently posted where people on their way to bother you will see it?

[lioness]

selma: lol. that was great!!

barfle & OT: thanks guys. i was just on my way to submit my top 10 and here you go bringing up another controversial subject. Hal has to wait a little bit longer.

medicinal purposes or not, marijuana will probably not be legalize because of the bad wrap it has had over the last several decades. the government included it with the studies of substances that should be illegal and why. they decided smoking pot was as dangerous as snorting lines, dropping acid and shooting up.

remember the whole "just say no!"? well how about just say no to unhealthy overeating, chemicals in our foods, microwaves, the FDA (the list goes on and on).

oh and trust me as illegal as it is... the us government still markets marijuana.

and as the good barfle said.... end of rant

[piqaboo]

I know why terbakky stays legal, but dont really understand why maryjane cant make the cut.
Tobacco costs tax money 6 ways from sunday. Lets stop subsidizig it, and use the money saved to rescue social security.

Tobacco is grown in small fields as a "cash crop" for many small farmers. Its federally subsidized and so they can count on the income from it.
Then the gov't buys ciggies from the makers, and sells them at a lower than market (subsidized) rate to our soldiers/sailors (if the guns dont get em, the 'caccy will). Then, we tax the rest of the ciggies, to pay for things like roads. So, we cant afford to stop selling cigarrettes, because without "luxuries", there can be no luxury taxes. Of course, we used to subsidize the healthcare for those folks who got ill from smoking, but recent lawsuits are at least partially redressing that, and getting the cigarrette makers to pay.

There's probably too much free enterprixe in teh weed market for the govt to make enough money to make it worth legalizing, although it costs a bomb to keep it illegal!

I wonder what % of funds invested the gov't will have to charge against the Private Accounts in Soc Sec to cover the costs of opening, and trackign them?

[barfle]

Originally posted by lioness:
and as the good barfle said.... end of rant

That would be OT.

/s/ the not-so-good barfle

[treebeau]

There's something about tobacco that bugs me. I live in NC where it's a major crop. People complain about the cost, the taxes, and the killer chemicals that the manufacturers put in the cigarettes.

Do you know of anyone who grows tobacco in his(/her) own backyard for his own consumption? I mean, marijuana smokers WANT to do that, CAN do it and often DO do it, even though it is illegal. It seems to me that it should be a fairly easy thing to do. Not being a smoker, nor a farmer, nor one who grows his own crops, I only theorize.

Anyone have input on this? Why don't people make their own and circumvent the taxes and pollutants?

Thanks and regards,
Tim B.

[OperaTenor]

I'll bet smoking straight, unprocessed tobacco is relatively unpleasant compared to the processed, chemically and toxically enhanced stuff produced by the manufacturers.
From what I understand about the process, home-grown isn't nearly as addicting as the factory-produced variety. That was one of the points brought out in the cigarette company trials: They formulated the crap they added to smokes to increase their addictiveness.



I know people who roll their own cigarettes, but I've never heard of anyone growing and smoking their own, either.

[treebeau]

Always nice to have Google, and be able to answer my own questions.

Such as here.

Regards,
Tim B.

[lioness]

thanks tim... i really did NOT need to see that! i do like this magik patch though. if you rub it the right way it does amazing things! :p

Piq: as always, you know where it's at. rent a movie called 'WEED'. it was directed by Woody Harrelson(sp?). it goes into some detail why it is the government does what it does regarding illegalization of marijuana.

OT: unprocessed tobacco is relatively not as unpleasant. i switched from store bought brands to a more natural cigarette (like American Spirit) a while ago. i didn't like the chemical taste when i tried the popular manufactured brands after that. i don't have to worry about it anymore. 2 days & going strong!

the not-so-good barfle: nah, you're still on my good list. i have wikid wallpaper to prove it!

[barfle]

Hijack alert.

I tried growing my own coffee. I picked up a small tree on one of my trips to Hawaii, had it shipped home, and planted it in a large pot under a patio cover. After a couple of years, it had grown to the point where it started producing "beans." I bought a roaster, followed the instructions for harvesting and drying, and all the beans ended up hollow.

After two "harvests," I moved out of SoCal to Virginia, so I gave the tree to my brother-in-law, who says he has the same problem.

So much for my attempts at growing my own drugs.

[lioness]

good morning. i am in the middle of brewing my own pot of 'legal speed'... and today i need it! no sleep again. this is getting frustrating. but i have much more practice time now!!!

oh well. i'll have plenty of time to sleep when i'm dead, right!

[Trumpetmaster]

Keep hanging in there Lioness. We're all pulling for you!!!!!

[OperaTenor]

Hi Lioness,

This is day 3, right? From what people say, this should be the peak of the physical withdrawl, so hopefully it's more downhill from here!


Perhaps this is a good time to keep Barfle's technique of just thinking about putting off a smoke just this time, and not thinking too far into the future?

[treebeau]

Power of the mind! I know you can use it. When you have a craving just keep thinking "This too shall pass."

Regards,
Tim B.

[Selma in Sandy Eggo]

Perhaps taking off the patch at night might help with the sleeping? Also, that night-time green cold potion always knocks me out colder'n a mackerel.

Going to bed with some really dull reading material might help, too. And a warm buzzing cat to dispute possession of the pillow.

Anyway, hang in there. We're rooting for you from the peanut gallery.