Building a Catholic Community

[DavidEB310]

I'm guessing that the town's Cinema won't be showing "Luther" any time soon?

[Shapley]

Piq,

I think he chose Florida in part due to the State laws regarding many of those issues. They are a bit more permissive of such things than say, California. It's one of the reasons Disney World is there instead of in Anaheim.

A lot will depend on how the town is incorporated, but generally towns and cities maintain ownership of their roads, except the county-owned, state-owned, or federally owned (interstate) highways that pass through them. Some subdivision developers maintain ownership of the roadways through the subdivision in order to prevent some conflicts that come up under city ownership, and the homeowner association dues pay for the upkeep. Once in a while, cities will refuse to take ownership of subdivision roadways because they do not meet city specifications regarding such things as curbing, right-of-way easements, surface thickness, etc., and the subdivision owner is left with the maintenance responsibilities for them, or the cost of bringing them up to spec before they can be handed over to the city.

V/R
Shapley

[Junebug]

"Pharmacies are required to dispense legal drugs for which a valid prescription has been written by a qualified physician. A pharmacist obeying his lease clause would be breaking the law."

Selma, In my neighboring Rhode Island a CVS pharmacist refused to fill a script for Plan B (morning after pill) claiming it was against her beliefs. CVS backed her up. In RI (highest percentage of Catholics in the country) it is not a legal standard- So i guess it goes state by state....
June

[Schmeelkie]

As Selma says - there are lots of communities developed around common interests. Not all have town charters and laws (eg., the Little Italy's and Chinatowns within large cities) - but there's likely an unsaid code of conduct for residents in these areas. This just formalizes things. There's no problem with this as long as the people within these communities agree with the rules and no federal laws are being broken.

Even with this, I agree that it may be doomed to failure since children do not always follow in their parents footsteps, thus would likely leave the community. They'd have to rely on 'immigration' to keep community numbers up. And unless they're locating 50 miles from other civilization (which, while I don't know much about the demographics of Florida, I don't see as possible), members of the community can always leave to 'break the rules', eg., buy condoms, get a burger on a Friday in Lent, etc. They also will not be able to get government funding for their schools if they wish them to be Catholic - but could probably put this cost into their town taxes instead of collecting tuition.

I just hope they're realistic about it. They'll never be able to block all outside influence - kids in particular will pick up on this relatively quickly.

Not that I'd ever want to live in a place like this, but I can understand the urge to organize a community around a set moral code. It's just likely too little, too late. Western society may be too secularized to support many such communities.

[DavidEB310]

Junebug,

No wonder I feel so outnumbered.

I'm just a little Lutheran meatball in a big Catholic Pot of Spaghetti.

[DavidS]

Originally posted by Selma in Sandy Eggo:
It's the restriction on legal business, particularly in the pharmacy, doctors offices, or other places where the "Catholic dogma" lease clause would interfere with the rights of the patient/customer to exercise all their legal options.

There are legal requirements for a doctor to inform a patient of all the possible options for a given problem; Catholic dogma forbids all the effective options to conception. A doctor obeying his lease clause would be breaking the law.

Pharmacies are required to dispense legal drugs for which a valid prescription has been written by a qualified physician. A pharmacist obeying his lease clause would be breaking the law.

Yes, I quite agree that a person embarking on a career as a doctor or pharmacist must take into account the country's legal requirements respecting his professional behaviour. And he could well face a choice between disobeying the precepts of his religion and infringing the law. That is what is behind my proviso.

There are also several forbidden bases for discrimination - "religon" is on the list. Favoring, or penalizing, any individual for religious beliefs, or lack thereof, is unconstitutional and a violation of their civil liberties.[/QUOTE]
I fail to see what is discriminatory about limiting membership of a commune located on private property to committed Catholics only.
The law against penalising on the basis of religious affiliation etc. surely can only apply to services and products intended for the public? (To quote Groucho: "I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members.")

You can see where this particular subject might be viewed by lots of us as being in a grey area. It's probably legal, I'm not sure it's right, and I can see clear potential for abuse. It raises caution flags in my mind. [/QUOTE]
That is what a free society is about: beyond the basic obligation to remain within the domain of the law, each individual gets to decide for himself what is "right" or "wrong" for him.(As a rabbi once said about a questionable piece of meat brought to him for examination: "It's kosher, but it stinks!") And yes, we must beware of potential for abuse of "liberal" laws in every field.

[Junebug]

Congrats DavidEB310. I hope your fiance is a Yankees fan too? Otherwise, she'll be giving up something she didn't plan on for Lent!
June

[DavidEB310]

Thanks Junebug!

I proposed and she accepted on Valentine's Day 2006!!!

I think you caught my Freudian slip in the spelling of Fiance -- I spelled it Finance.

Then again, after purchasing the ring... :p

[Junebug]

DavidEB- Actually I didn't pick it up until you mentioned it! My first husband was a Rhode Islander from a large close knit family- If your fiance is a native Rhode Islander, esp from a big Catholic family you can only hope that the fiance can finance the shebang!

[OperaTenor]

Hi DavidEB310,

CONGRATULATIONS!!!

Tell us all about it! Photos! Descriptions! Dates!

Inquiring minds want to know!

[Selma in Sandy Eggo]

Originally posted by DavidEB310:
I proposed and she accepted on Valentine's Day 2006!!!

Congratulations!!

[Schmeelkie]

Congrats from me too!

And my husband and I are living proof that Yankee fans and Red Sox fans can cohabitate. Although, he's not really a big baseball or other sports fan in general, so he can more easily tolerate me and living in Yankees territory. Though the Red Sox World Series win had him very happy and saying not so nice things about my poor Yankees. Oh, well...

I'm also a Lutheran - we're pretty laid-back... my husband is basically agnostic, but really liked the Pastor at my home church so had no objections to our marriage and baptism of Pumpkin there. He's OK with sending Pumpkin to Sunday school when he's older, but in the overwhelming likelihood that Pumpkin will decide one day that he doesn't want to go to church anymore (I think most kids go through this), my husband will back Pumpkin and not me....I just hope he's at least in high school when this occurs. My folks made me keep going until I was out of high school, and I appreciate it, but can see my husband's side.

OK - before I hijack this thread too far off track....

As long as they're not walling themselves off, not letting anyone leave, and gathering weapons - I'm OK with any group making their own little community. Somehow I doubt Catholics are going to go all Waco...

[Junebug]

Schmeelkie,
My first husband was also a Red Sox fan-introduced me to Fenway in fact.....I lived to tell the tale! Rhode Island is a very peculiar state in that most folks who were born there NEVER leave, and it takes outsiders a looooong time to be welcomed. Very insular and ethnic- whatever Mr. Domino Pizza is trying to establish-RI is already there-
June

[DavidEB310]

Let's see:

My first 3 wives were all Yankees' fans.

The first more or less followed the team because of me. She was from New York.

The second from New York, but living in Boston, also rooted for the Yankees (and her father was an avid Yankees' fan.)

The third wife, a native Rhode Islander, not really into baseball, became a huge Yankees' fan, and remains so, even though she is dating a Sox fan in our Rhode Island.

Okay, now that we got the 3 bears out of the way, I'll turn my attention to my Goldilocks, who, is a native New Englander residing in RI for about 99% of her life, told me that she is neither a Yankees fan or a Red Sox fan, but a DAVE FAN.

However, she is accompanying me to her first Yankees game (which happens to be a NYY vs. Boston contest) in the House That Ruth Built in May. Once she sees Derek and the boys, I'm sure there's no going back.

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[DavidEB310]

P.S. TO MY LAST MESSAGE ABOVE:

I wonder how welcome we would be in that Catholic Community?

[Junebug]

Wow DavidEB, it's amazing after all is said and done you haven't given up! How did you come to meet this special lady? And I believe the word "catholic" means "universal" so in the true meaning of Love you are a member of the catholic community still! I especially am impressed that you seem to be on such excellent terms with the predecessor?

[Shapley]

Dave,

Congratulations, from a Cardinals fan.

V/R
Shapley

[piqaboo]

Congrats, youse guys!

[DavidEB310]

Originally posted by Junebug:
Wow DavidEB, it's amazing after all is said and done you haven't given up! How did you come to meet this special lady? And I believe the word "catholic" means "universal" so in the true meaning of Love you are a member of the catholic community still! I especially am impressed that you seem to be on such excellent terms with the predecessor?

I believe you are correct about the word catholic, if denoted, in lowercase (The Lutheran Church uses the word catholic in its Apostle's Creed, in lowercase form). Uppercase, I believe, only denotes the Proper Noun for the Religion.

To answer the other question -- where did you meet this special lady? Where else, where we as forumers meet -- online. Well, to be more exact, match.com (and that's without Dr. Phil's help).

[DavidEB310]

Originally posted by Junebug:
Wow DavidEB, it's amazing after all is said and done you haven't given up! How did you come to meet this special lady? And I believe the word "catholic" means "universal" so in the true meaning of Love you are a member of the catholic community still! I especially am impressed that you seem to be on such excellent terms with the predecessor?

I believe you are correct about the word catholic, if denoted, in lowercase (The Lutheran Church uses the word catholic in its Apostle's Creed, in lowercase form). Uppercase, I believe, only denotes the Proper Noun for the Religion.

To answer the other question -- where did you meet this special lady? Where else, where we as forumers meet -- online. Well, to be more exact, match.com (and that's without Dr. Phil's help).

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