Looking for OT

[Marye]

LOL!

[Valerie]

I agree with tim!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[OperaTenor]

Hi Strav, my personal cold cure is hot tea with honey, lemon and a lottle (intentional spelling

<small>[ 08-14-2003, 01:35 AM: Message edited by: operatenor ]</small>

[priya978]

Thanks OT!! Saved me from another restless night.Thanks again!!!!

[dkm32]

Originally posted by operatenor:
Donna, why would anyone want to try to cure a tenor? How can you cure perfection of voice? :p

Masochism, more than likely. As friend used to say, He's not conceded, he's convinced. At the time, I didn't realize she was talking about tenors.

...unless a person had an actual physical condidtion that prevented them from singing in tune (i.e., a real hearing problem), that anyone could be taught to sing in tune.
In my perfect world, everyone would sing, regardless of their ability (Donna).

Well, there in lies the problem, Jim. I am pretty much tone deaf. If you play two notes on a piano, I generally can not tell you which one is higher than the other. I can follow a tune, but if I'm off by a note or so, I would never know it!

[Selma in Sandy Eggo]

Originally posted by operatenor:
Donna, why would anyone want to try to cure a tenor? How can you cure perfection of voice?

The only "perfect" I've encountered goes with "idiots", "strangers", and Martha Stewart. Are you sure you want to claim perfection?

I have to agree with OT, though. If you are able to vary your tone of voice, you have the physical essentials for singing. Ear training and intonation training are the rest of the skill. But the time investment is considerable, and not everyone is capable of singing well, no matter how much time they spend developing whatever talent they naturally possess.

We should all do whatever singing we enjoy, even if it's only to the dogs and the horses. In my case, crows and cats.

OT: my mother's sore-throat recipe was honey, lemon, and whisky in equal parts. Always worked. The hot tea sounds like a good addition.

A good voice teacher can do phenomenal things with a student, in very little time. Loren Salter, my older daughter's voice teacher, was the one who taught me what a chest voice is, how to find it, and how to use it. I can sing tenor with mine (who knew?). Took him about twelve minutes, and I'd never even known that I had such a thing!

But he also said he couldn't fix my hole at middle C. Had a fancy term to explain it, and said that work could make it less obvious, but that it was an inherant result of my vocal structure and could never be entirely eliminated.

[piqaboo]

Originally posted by Donna:
Masochism, more than likely. As friend used to say, He's not conceded, he's convinced. At the time, I didn't realize she was talking about tenors.

Well said, Ma'am.

I know that when I can't hear my own voice (usually when Im singing near tenors) :p , I can feel by my throat tension, mouth position, all that jazz, if I'm singing the right note, as long as I have heard myself sing it correctly previously.
Therein, of course, lies the rub.

[dkm32]

Welcome aboard, Piqaboo !!!

[OperaTenor]

Selma, weak, just plain weak. The Shostakovich Adjective Troops will be at your door shortly.

Piqaboo, we need to discuss that throat tension you mentioned. PM me if you don't want the entire BBB to have a ringside seat to your dissection. You should be so lucky to be near tenors!

[piqaboo]

Oh joy, dissection.
I'll take a pass, thanks.

[shostakovich]

Selma scores well on the SAT.
S(hostakovich) A(djective) T(roops)

[OperaTenor]

All right. Now I have to split hairs. I said "perfection of voice" not "perfect voice". I believe a subtle distinction can be drawn betwixt the two. After all, can you say "perfection of stranger", "perfection of idiot", or "perfection of Martha Stewart"? It's a condition, not a descriptive.

One week in the stockade for the SAT should be sufficient.

Jim "Touchy? Who, me?" B.

[Selma in Sandy Eggo]

OK, I had to laugh. Yes, Martha Stewart is a condition. Probably incurable.

Thank you for the early morning laugh.

Selma "Gettin' more coffee now" C.

[piqaboo]

by OT: In my perfect world, everyone would sing, regardless of their ability .... All you have to do is have fun with it.

I wonder, does Martha Stewart sing in the shower?
Has she glued little dingusses to the whatsits to 'optimize' her bathroom to make it a more perfect singing experience? What colors can I buy at Kmart that will make me really want to burst into song?

[OperaTenor]

Piqaboo, lol!

[Marye]

I read another thread that your audition is next Thursday? What are you preparing to sing?

[Angie Parkes]

Good luck, OT! You'll be great.

[EJA]

No such thing as tone deafness? When my cousin tries to sing, what comes out of her mouth is a whaling sound that would send a coyote packing. She has a vague concept of high versus low, but no concept of a scale – this in spite of all efforts to instill it in her. When she talks, it is generally in a very even tone, and the variations are generally in volume rather than tone. I've always thought that this is because her acuity for tone is lacking in a manner similar to my brothers acuity for red and green wavelengths of light. Is this not the case? She also grows bored of music much more quickly than the rest of the family. It's been my impression that her only enjoyment thereof comes from the rhythm. Am I completely wrong about all this?

My grandfather, BTW, suffers from both color blindness and tone deafness. He is a very dull person, too. I've always wondered if there was a cause-and-effect relationship amongst those observations.

[Selma in Sandy Eggo]

Your cousin may well be what is commonly called "tone-deaf". A neurologist would call it something else, in Latin, and it would go on much longer, but you've pretty much described it. It does exist, but it's not common.

This is a neurological abnormality, similar in process to autism or profound dyslexia, in which the patient is unable to perceive or process a stimulus appropriately. If the disability is an inability to discriminate between auditory frequencies, we call it tone-deaf. Discrimination training, if obtained early enough in life, may greatly improve this condition. (this means, your cousin needed Suzuki violin lessons when she was three)

If she habitually speaks in a monotone, she may have tone-deafness. There really is such a thing (sorry OT) but it's not common. Most people who think they're "tone deaf" merely need tone discrimination training; they perceive the variations but lack reference points for assigning value to the variations in perceived frequency.

Regarding your grandfather, I've never noticed that any perceptual disability makes a person dull.

[Selma in Sandy Eggo]

a whaling sound

Ahhhh,
Whaling - the practice of hunting cetacean prey.
Wailing - a high-pitched vocalization indicative of distress.

Regards,

The Homonym Patrol