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Re: Opera Season in your neighbourhood

Postby Mahlersfifth » Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:25 pm

War and Peace

It was magnificent.
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Re: Opera Season in your neighbourhood

Postby piqaboo » Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:47 pm

Just bought my tix for next season.
Moved to the uppper loge to save a few pennies.
Was also a savings in that I only 'had' to buy one ticket per show. ;)
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Re: Opera Season in your neighbourhood

Postby barfle » Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:33 pm

Altoid's not watching daddy sing?
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Re: Opera Season in your neighbourhood

Postby piqaboo » Tue Oct 28, 2008 4:03 pm

Although Altoid's sit-still quotient has increased dramatically, I think its still a bit early for a full length opera. I'm thinking we'll pick one with a good first act for a bday present in 2 years.

Altoid loves loves loves to hear daddy sing doowop. And for those events,dancing and singing along is
a-ok.
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Re: Opera Season in your neighbourhood

Postby shostakovich » Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:12 pm

Hi Piq. I'd recommend Humperdinck's Hansel and Gretel. The story and music are appealing, and it isn't too long (for altoid in 2 years, I hope).
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Re: Opera Season in your neighbourhood

Postby Schmeelkie » Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:38 am

Yeah - I'd stick with the doo-wop for Altoid for now. Although Pumpkin will listen to classical in the car or at home, a whole hour long orKIDStra concert is a bit too long for him. And there you have lots of other kids talking and squirming in their seats, so no embarrassment factor. Missed the October concert (sick) - next is holiday in Dec. Figure if I keep taking him it'll increase his 'stamina'. Think Bella might be better at sitting still for these than Pumpkin - he's very active...and she's not quite 2 yet...
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Re: Opera Season in your neighbourhood

Postby treebeau » Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:14 pm

Maybe Act 1 of The Magic Flute, too. It has all those animals, and the infectious tune of Papageno. Can't go wrong with Wolfie.

On a separate note. Nov 9 is my favorite opera, "L'elisir d'Amore" here in the neighboring town of "Verdis-boro" NC. Last year was Rigor-Mortis (by Joe Green) and Gilda was played by Kristen Plumley. She was really good and is returning to play Adina in this one. She has a dot com.

Regards,
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Re: Opera Season in your neighbourhood

Postby treebeau » Mon Nov 10, 2008 3:45 am

Hi Opera Fans,

I went to see Donizetti's "L'elisir d'amore" yesterday. It was a beautiful performance. There was plenty of drama offstage too. A situation arose with one of my group members and it caused a dilemma for me. Please go to see my blog entry, and comment on my dilemma if you wish.
Extortion at the opera

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Re: Opera Season in your neighbourhood

Postby Shapley » Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:04 am

Tim,

I don't think the $12.50 will 'keep the peace'. I believe your instincts are correct on this, and you're looking at a cronic complainer.

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Re: Opera Season in your neighbourhood

Postby Schmeelkie » Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:39 pm

TB - if it were me, I'd give her the $12.50 since you said you would, but try to explain again that the best info you had was that the opera was 2 hrs and say sorry I didn't get the correct info to pass on. Say you don't normally refund the money (the opera company sure wouldn't have) and don't plan to again. For the dust-up about dinner location, maybe gently suggest she print out the info for future dinners, etc. so there's no confusion.

I think you're right that she may not come back. Or if she does, if she pulls more of this kind of stuff she's likely to start losing her audience and eventually will stop coming. People like this need an audience to complain to - encourage others to ignore her if she does complain.
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Re: Opera Season in your neighbourhood

Postby Selma in Sandy Eggo » Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:18 am

You'll never "keep the peace" with this woman. I'd suggest that a fit of laughter would be the appropriate response to her demands for free dinner, opera, etc - but it'd be worth refunding her group membership fee if she'll forget about coming back. Seriously. This is not a person to hang out with.

Besides, if she gets what she wants by whining and bullying, she'll just whine and bully more. If laughed at, she might go away. Probably in a Huff. Possibly a Snit. Perhaps a Fury.

You want to make a definite point to your son, that this is behavior to be not tolerated. After all, you didn't reward his tantrums when he was two, did you?
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Re: Opera Season in your neighbourhood

Postby jamiebk » Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:03 am

Give her the money back and tell her that she is not welcome at future events. She's a cancer in the group and will never stop complaining. Run Tim run......This woman has a screw loose.
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Re: Opera Season in your neighbourhood

Postby Shapley » Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:15 am

Tim,

You don't say what time the performance ended. Did it end before the 4:30 slot that she said would still allow her to make it to work on time? If so, it's clear that you owe nothing. OTOH, if it ended later, I'd let your conscience be your guide. As you said, it's only $12.50, although I still don't think it will achieve the desired result of 'keeping the peace'.

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Re: Opera Season in your neighbourhood

Postby piqaboo » Wed Nov 12, 2008 2:37 pm

Pay her the opera $12.50. You should not have agreed to, but you did.

Do NOT refund her money unless the admin can ban her from rejoining. Certainly do not allow her to enjoy a free membership.

She's working it, baby. What a brat.

FWIW, 7 of you could have bought the 10 tickets and still enjoyed a discount off the usual price of $40 each.
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Re: Opera Season in your neighbourhood

Postby treebeau » Wed Nov 12, 2008 11:46 pm

Howdy all,

Thanks for the input. Got input as blog comments as well. So many good opinions. Selma has me figured out...I never rewarded my son's bad behavior. To do that will only encourage more bad behavior.

So far it is almost Thursday and nobody has heard from this woman yet. I'm starting to think we won't. She never coughed up the annual dues for the dining group, so there wouldn't be a refund there. The opera ended about 4:45. May have been a little tight for her to get to work on time.

My feeling is that she concluded before act 1 was over that she didn't like opera (dead white man's music). Did I type that outloud?? So, she must have thought if she left BEFORE any of act 2 then she could recoup half her ticket. But since she hasn't contacted me since, there will probably be a refund cutoff date of whenever she does, minus 1 day. :-)

If and when she resurfaces, I will post a followup.
Thanks and
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Re: Opera Season in your neighbourhood

Postby jamiebk » Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:32 am

treebeau wrote:Howdy all,

Thanks for the input. Got input as blog comments as well. So many good opinions. Selma has me figured out...I never rewarded my son's bad behavior. To do that will only encourage more bad behavior.

So far it is almost Thursday and nobody has heard from this woman yet. I'm starting to think we won't. She never coughed up the annual dues for the dining group, so there wouldn't be a refund there. The opera ended about 4:45. May have been a little tight for her to get to work on time.

My feeling is that she concluded before act 1 was over that she didn't like opera (dead white man's music). Did I type that outloud?? So, she must have thought if she left BEFORE any of act 2 then she could recoup half her ticket. But since she hasn't contacted me since, there will probably be a refund cutoff date of whenever she does, minus 1 day. :-)

If and when she resurfaces, I will post a followup.
Thanks and
Regards,
Tim B.


Inquiring minds want to know! :rofl:
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Re: Opera Season in your neighbourhood

Postby barfle » Sat Nov 15, 2008 10:14 pm

I've been a bit slow catching up on the BBB, but it's pretty clear that T McD is not someone you want in your group.

Keep up your end of the deal, and show her where the side of righteousness lies.
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Re: Opera Season in your neighbourhood

Postby OperaTenor » Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:36 pm

Count me in the Piq and Barfle camp, but I would add to specifically invite her to seek social opportunities elsewhere.

A piece of work indeed.
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Re: Opera Season in your neighbourhood

Postby dai bread » Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:59 pm

I agree, Tim. Give her the money because you said you would. Then never have anything to do with her again if you can possibly help it, and certainly never ever offer her money. Not even bus fare.
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Re: Opera Season in your neighbourhood

Postby treebeau » Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:16 pm

Update:

T McD emailed me last Thursday, shortly after I made my last update. I replied with this:

Hi [T McD...name edited to purposely],

Thanks for emailing and asking about the opera. As I think I told you,
opera is one of my things. I just love it and wanted to share this passion
with my friends, which is why I asked Laine to make it a group thing. The
opera company gave us a group discount but that had to be 10 people or more.
Knowing how people sign up for things and don't show up, I felt it would be
a challenge to get 10 committed people.

When we met at dinner I asked if you had gotten your ticket and you said you
had, but were reconsidering. Again, trying to do this as a group thing and
get a group discount I explained what I knew to see if you would reconsider.
I had previously asked the opera company how long the show was and they said
2 hours with an intermission, so that is what I passed on to you. I was the
messenger, not someone trying to trick you into making a commitment.
According to my watch (and yours and mine are at least 5 minutes apart from
each other...dunno why, but I set mine according to the world atomic clock)
the show started 10 minutes late. As soon as they dimmed the house lights I
checked my watch. Marie, sitting next to me saw me do that. I did it again
at the start of Act 2. According to my watch the show ended at a little
after 4:40. So it probably wasn't going to be enough time for you to get to
work anyway, if you had stayed for all of Act 2.

You asked for half your ticket value back and I was not wanting to get into
any debate or argument, since Act 2 was about to start, so I told you I
would give you half your ticket value back. I am willing to do that,
because I am an honorable person and do what I say I will do. But, as you
can well imagine, the scenario was discussed at length on the way back to
Winston Salem. The majority of people in my car were of the opinion that
you are not owed anything. Furthermore, I heard from the woman sitting next
to you that you were upset and told her "that guy lied to me", meaning me
lying to you about how long the show would run. All I did was tell you what
I was told and you made a comment on my character. That does not sit well
with me, but does not keep me from doing what I said I would, because I am
NOT a liar and AM an honorable person.

So I want to suggest a few things to you.

1. This is a good group of people and every person in the group is
responsible for themselves. If someone doesn't like where we go or what we
do, or how much it costs, it was their own CHOICE to attend. If you were a
passenger in my car and told me I could go forward because an oncoming car
is far enough away, then I stepped on the gas and got hit by the oncoming
car, would it be your fault or mine? After all, I would have made the
choice with the given information. So, in the future, realize that you make
choices, and please don't hold anyone else responsible for those choices.
Since I passed on to you what the opera company told me, you hold me
responsible. In the future, if time is an issue, go directly to the source
to get the information. You called them to order the ticket and you could
have called again to validate the performance time.

2. If money is an issue, then this group may not be the one for you. A $12
membership fee may seem like a lot of money to one person and next to
nothing for another. After all, it represents $1 per month. One can attend
as many or zero functions for that $1. But WITHOUT paying that membership
fee, the money would eventually come out of another person's pocket (higher
dues) to maintain the website, membership list, etc. Meetup.com CHARGES for
the service..it is not free.

3. If you do decide to join the group, you may wish to keep talk about money
in check. At the dinner at LoneStar, you kept a running joke with the wait
staff regarding "comping" your meal. Things like that (even if just joking)
weigh against you later on when asking for half your opera ticket back, or
asking to waive your annual dues.

4. If you do join the group and come to more functions, print out the page
and bring it with you, should you want to assert that a time or location was
listed incorrectly. I went back to the page regarding Lone Star. The time
was listed as 6:30 and the location did not say anything about being on Mall
property. It says Hanes Mall Blvd, which is absolutely correct, but that is
not IN the mall. ALL of our dinners, with very few exceptions are at 6:30.
And if there is an exception Laine [ed: Group Organizer] does everything in her power to get the
word out. Not everyone has access to their email all the time, but imagine
if you were the organizer and having to call a dozen people, if that is how
many signed up. Meetup.com gives her the tools to communicate, people sign
up using those tools, and they should continue to monitor functions using
those tools.

Having said all that, I will answer your questions.

The opera was beautiful. It is my favorite opera and it brought me to tears
in some places. The two main tenor solos were excellent. The basso buffo,
"Dulcamara", was a wonderful portrayal and I think that guy will eventually
have a distinguished career. The sets, costumes, lighting, performances,
and orchestra were all fantastic. After the show we all got to have light
snacks and meet the lead performers, evidenced by the photos on the Meetup
web site. That was really cool.

Yes, I like Rachael Ray. When I first discovered her I was smitten and
quickly learned she had done some sexy photos for FHM magazine. As if I
ever had a chance...she married shortly after and my crush was pretty much
over. But I do like her style and the fact that she looks like a healthy
woman. I like her energy and that she is a common sense person without all
the high airs of a classically trained chef.

So, I hope you're well and happy. Please feel free to provide your mailing
address and I will send you a check for $12.50.
Take care,
Tim B.


Her original email to me was simply:
"so how did it end? somebody likes rachel ray huh?! lol"


It has been nearly a week since I sent that reply and she has not answered. Maybe she got the message. Fingers crossed. She has left a bad taste in the mouths of several women in the dining group...particularly Laine.

Your comments on my response are (and will be) appreciated. I tried to address her like I would to my son...trying to teach responsibility, honor, and owning your words.

Regards,
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