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Re: Does anyone read? Part II

Postby Shapley » Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:03 pm

Giant Communist Robot wrote:The ships and boats book has a kind of Time-Lifey look about it. Casson was a serious academic, though, and his mission was to popularize classical studies. Its a pleasant book and I enjoyed it.

My favorite of his was the book about libraries.


I searched his books on Amazon. He was quite a prolific author, although many of the book selections appear to be reprints and re-issues of earlier works. He appears to be listed as a co-author on a number of works on the Ancient Greek and Egypt time period, besides the works he authored himself.

You shouldn't belittle the Time-Life concept. The concept behind them is to repackage serious scholarship in a mass-market friendly format. It's not Time-Lifes' fault that most people just look at the pictures and ignore the text. :)

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Re: Does anyone read? Part II

Postby Giant Communist Robot » Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:08 pm

You might remember Casson as the host of the TV show "Sunrise Semester" .
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Re: Does anyone read? Part II

Postby Shapley » Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:30 pm

Giant Communist Robot wrote:You might remember Casson as the host of the TV show "Sunrise Semester" .


No. I'm not familiar with it. I Googled it, but it doesn't ring a bell. That seems odd, since CBS was one of only two networks available when I was growing up. I remember watching Jack Lalanne in the mornings on ABC. Captain Kangaroo wasn't on until 8:00 a.m, and it came on after "The Breakfast Show" on our CBS affiliate. If there was programming on before "The Breakfast Show", I wasn't aware of it.
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Re: Does anyone read? Part II

Postby Giant Communist Robot » Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:40 pm

If I recall correctly it was on about 6 or 6:30 a.m. , one of the first things on in the morning. Casson lacked charisma.
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Re: Does anyone read? Part II

Postby Giant Communist Robot » Fri Aug 07, 2009 1:32 pm

"Fifty things you're not supposed to know," Kick

I read about this book and searched the library catalog; I found the rest of these there.

"Abuse your illusions," Kick

"You are being lied to," Kick

Contributors like Noam Chomsky. Has a section claiming humans have already been cloned; cites the NY Times as a source.

"Everything you know is wrong," Kick
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Re: Does anyone read? Part II

Postby Shapley » Fri Aug 07, 2009 2:04 pm

Giant Communist Robot wrote:"Everything you know is wrong," Kick


Wasn't there an LP by the Firesign Theatre by that name?
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Re: Does anyone read? Part II

Postby Giant Communist Robot » Sun Aug 09, 2009 5:24 pm

"The basic works of Aristotle," McKeon

The librarian commented I was the first person to check this book out. I looked for the publication date: 1941.
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Re: Does anyone read? Part II

Postby Giant Communist Robot » Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:27 am

"Vanity Fair's Tales of Hollywood," Carter

Saw this today at the library. Behind the scenes stories about 13 iconic movies. Not bad.

"Clawing at the limits of cool," Griffin and Washington

About the collaboration of Miles Davis and John Coltrane. Lotsa details. Looks at the impact on American culture. Jazz...

Coltrane's legendary concentration recalls stylized African sculptures that depict persons who see into the spirit world


...or maybe it was just the heroin, I dunno.

With a glossary
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Re: Does anyone read? Part II

Postby Giant Communist Robot » Tue Aug 11, 2009 4:31 pm

"Ancient Mesopotamia: Portrait of a dead civilization," Oppenheim

Doesn't everyone find Mesopotamia fascinating? I do.

"Mesopotamia: the invention of the city," Leick

I like this better of the two. Less textbooky and more modern language

"The complete Valley of the Kings," Reeves and Wilkinson

The best book I've ever seen of this kind. Maps, and more maps, the location of the valley, the locations of the tombs, the pits, every tomb individually discussed, photos of the entrances, photos of the interiors, excerpts from the diaries of the original excavators (if modern, o' course), diagrams of the tombs with perspective and elevation, plans of the tombs, pictures of recovered artifacts, mummies, more mummies, coffins, sarcophagae (sp?), canoptic jars, mummified monkeys, gold and jewelry, unrapped mummies...its just astonishing.

Photo of the unrapped mummy of Ramses II showing his dessicated skin tightly stretched across his face as if he were howling in agony. The caption for this photo says his genitals have been hacked off. Maybe they should'a shown a picture of that.

....and there's more. Ancient graffitti and ostraca, wall paintings and their symbolism, Egyptian religion etc.
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Re: Does anyone read? Part II

Postby Giant Communist Robot » Tue Aug 11, 2009 4:38 pm

I should not have been so flippant about "Clawing...", but I just didn't like it. Its a serious and scholarly book. We should keep in mind it was the black jazz musicians who were the vanguard for the black people and their movements, as they were admired and imitated by the whites instead of the other way around.
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Re: Does anyone read? Part II

Postby Giant Communist Robot » Tue Aug 11, 2009 4:40 pm

Shapley wrote:I purchased a CD set from The Teaching Company entitled The Long Shadow Of The Ancient Greek World. It deals with the contributions of the Ancient Greeks


The western world is Greek by proxy
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Re: Does anyone read? Part II

Postby Giant Communist Robot » Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:33 pm

"Statistics: a very short introduction," Hand

I wanted to see how someone could write 114 pages about statistics and not use any numbers or formulas.
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Re: Does anyone read? Part II

Postby dai bread » Wed Aug 12, 2009 6:36 pm

I'm re-reading Conrad's "Lord Jim", largely to see what difference several years of maturity makes to my appreciation of it. One thing that's come up so far is that custard has appeared as early as Chapter One. Custard in the sense of "turning to..."
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Re: Does anyone read? Part II

Postby piqaboo » Thu Aug 13, 2009 4:01 pm

I keep trying to read Lord Jim.
I have not yet, in > 30 years of trying, about 5 years apart, ever managed to get to the end.
I think I finally gave the book to the library this past June.
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Re: Does anyone read? Part II

Postby Giant Communist Robot » Tue Sep 01, 2009 1:30 am

"The great books," O'Hear

it says a journey through 2,500 years of the West's classic literature. Critical synopses of Homer, some Greek tragedy, Plato, Virgil, Ovid, St. Augustine, Dante, Chaucer, Shakespeare, Cervantes, Milton, Pascal, Racine, and Goethe. Here's a sample about The Iliad:

It shows what war does to men and women. War turns women into booty and men into things: either killing machines or victims. We see this phenomemnon again and again in The Iliad. To what once were men, spears lance beneath the brows, down to the eyes' roots, skulls are cracked to splinters, brains are splattered beneath helmets, shrieking heads tumble to the dust, spears skewer men through the groin and guts, livers split, stabbed hearts judder in their last throes, until blood stains the dust of the plain and night blinds men's eyes; these victims once were men, often individualized by Homer and captured in a few brief phrases, phrases which often recall the homes, the families, the flocks and the fields they never again will see. Meanwhile, their butchers, the killing machines, vaunt and taunt--their own humanity as much lost in the orgy of slaughter as that of their victims.


and so on.

"The American heritage science dictionary"

I like their dictionary 'cause of its tasty etymological stuff. This is, well, a dictionary.

"The plot to subvert wartime New Zealand" Price

Conman Syd Ross convinces NZ officials that Nazi infiltrators are working to prepare NZ for invasion from Japan and approached him for help. He also convinced them he needs to live in the best hotel, drive a big American car, and have lots of spending cash, all in order to string the Nazis along until they can be caught. Three month later Ross went back to jail.


"The Sumerians" Kramer

I can't get enough of this stuff. Maybe the Sumerians didn't invent writing, but they were the first to be aware of its importance. Includes the Sumerian King list and a curious document (we don't know the reason behind it) that uses the word "freedom" for the first time in history, and lists some rights of men.


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Re: Does anyone read? Part II

Postby Shapley » Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:57 am

Giant Communist Robot wrote:"The great books," O'Hear

it says a journey through 2,500 years of the West's classic literature. Critical synopses of Homer, some Greek tragedy, Plato, Virgil, Ovid, St. Augustine, Dante, Chaucer, Shakespeare, Cervantes, Milton, Pascal, Racine, and Goethe. Here's a sample about The Iliad:

It shows what war does to men and women. War turns women into booty and men into things: either killing machines or victims. We see this phenomemnon again and again in The Iliad. To what once were men, spears lance beneath the brows, down to the eyes' roots, skulls are cracked to splinters, brains are splattered beneath helmets, shrieking heads tumble to the dust, spears skewer men through the groin and guts, livers split, stabbed hearts judder in their last throes, until blood stains the dust of the plain and night blinds men's eyes; these victims once were men, often individualized by Homer and captured in a few brief phrases, phrases which often recall the homes, the families, the flocks and the fields they never again will see. Meanwhile, their butchers, the killing machines, vaunt and taunt--their own humanity as much lost in the orgy of slaughter as that of their victims.


and so on.



I am inclined to think he read a different Iliad than the one I'm familar with.
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Re: Does anyone read? Part II

Postby Giant Communist Robot » Tue Sep 01, 2009 11:20 am

The quotation derives from a Simon Weil essay on The Iliad
and is contained in a section on its meaning. I picked this instead of the usual heroic stuff.
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Re: Does anyone read? Part II

Postby Shapley » Tue Sep 01, 2009 11:37 am

Giant Communist Robot wrote:The quotation derives from a Simon Weil essay on The Iliad
and is contained in a section on its meaning. I picked this instead of the usual heroic stuff.


I prefer the usual heroic stuff. I suppose you see in the work only that which you are looking for, to some extent. If you go into the work with a bias against war, then the work will confirm the view that war is terrible. I prefer to believe that the work was written as a tribute to heroism, and honours those who fight for a noble cause.
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Re: Does anyone read? Part II

Postby Giant Communist Robot » Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:07 pm

Shapley wrote:
Giant Communist Robot wrote:The quotation derives from a Simon Weil essay on The Iliad
and is contained in a section on its meaning. I picked this instead of the usual heroic stuff.


I prefer the usual heroic stuff. I suppose you see in the work only that which you are looking for, to some extent. If you go into the work with a bias against war, then the work will confirm the view that war is terrible. I prefer to believe that the work was written as a tribute to heroism, and honours those who fight for a noble cause.


Well, you're right, everyone probably prefers the heroic stuff. The heroic nature of the characters is the biggest theme--I just picked that one 'cause its something I hadn't thought about, a little unusual. There isn't more than three paragraphs about the effects of war. Heroism is the big theme, though. O' course!
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Re: Does anyone read? Part II

Postby dai bread » Tue Sep 01, 2009 8:48 pm

piqaboo wrote:I keep trying to read Lord Jim.
I have not yet, in > 30 years of trying, about 5 years apart, ever managed to get to the end.
I think I finally gave the book to the library this past June.


I'm finding that knowing what the book's about helps a lot. Instead of wading through Conrad's turgid prose wondering where he's taking me, I can sit back and enjoy the journey. The prose is turgid, though. I must re-read some Dickens, from the same period. I don't recall his prose as being particularly turgid, but turgidity seems to go with the territory in the 19th century. I have an anthology of American prose (Norton). The only writer in the whole book who isn't turgid is Ben Franklin, despite scattering Capital Letters about with Gay Abandon.
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