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Postby Trumpetmaster » Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:02 pm

Catmando wrote:By the way OT, how many bulletin boards are you on? :P And are you the King Whore in any of those? :P




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Postby Angie Parkes » Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:56 pm

A gajillion years ago, this topic was the subject of heated conversation at a gathering of musicians and spouses. The consensus from all the players was that it was a toss up between the violin and the french horn. There was very little argument from anyone about it.

There was a bit more discussion about the noblest sounding instrument. Top marks went to the french horn, oboe second, and bassoon third (I still can't figure out how "noblest" was defined).

And, given a high level of musicianship, the magnificence of highland pipes is in direct proportion to their quantity. Given an low to medium level of musicianship, the ratio is inverted. Mind you, I grew up in Nova Scotia, which translated from the Latin is New Scotland.

And in an entirely unrelated story, Piper James Richardson's highland bagpipes, long thought to be lost on the field at the Battle of the Somme, were returned to his home province, British Columbia, yesterday, November 08, 2006. Piper Richardson piped the Canadian 16th Battalion forward at the Somme and was awarded a Victoria Cross (analagous to the US Medal of Honor) for "conspicuous valour."
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Postby Trumpetmaster » Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:59 pm

Angie Parkes wrote:A gajillion years ago, this topic was the subject of heated conversation at a gathering of musicians and spouses. The consensus from all the players was that it was a toss up between the violin and the french horn. There was very little argument from anyone about it.

There was a bit more discussion about the noblest sounding instrument. Top marks went to the french horn, oboe second, and bassoon third (I still can't figure out how "noblest" was defined).

And, given a high level of musicianship, the magnificence of highland pipes is in direct proportion to their quantity. Given an low to medium level of musicianship, the ratio is inverted. Mind you, I grew up in Nova Scotia, which translated from the Latin is New Scotland.

And in an entirely unrelated story, Piper James Richardson's highland bagpipes, long thought to be lost on the field at the Battle of the Somme, were returned to his home province, British Columbia, yesterday, November 08, 2006. Piper Richardson piped the Canadian 16th Battalion forward at the Somme and was awarded a Victoria Cross (analagous to the US Medal of Honor) for "conspicuous valour."



I say the Trumpet is the noblest sounding instrument! :wink:
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Postby Selma in Sandy Eggo » Thu Nov 09, 2006 5:11 pm

<ahem> French horn, well played, is one of the loveliest sounds on earth. Mind you, I enjoy any well-played brass, but the horn... Oh, my.

Keep in mind that while there are Horns in the band, there will be prayers in the band. Apparently, some pieces of music require continual prayer. Perhaps this results in nobility? :lol:
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Postby piqaboo » Thu Nov 09, 2006 5:47 pm

Why is a viiolin thought to be more difficult than a viola, cello or bass?
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Postby bignaf » Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:02 pm

Angie Parkes wrote:A gajillion years ago, this topic was the subject of heated conversation at a gathering of musicians and spouses. The consensus from all the players was that it was a toss up between the violin and the french horn. There was very little argument from anyone about it.

There was a bit more discussion about the noblest sounding instrument. Top marks went to the french horn, oboe second, and bassoon third (I still can't figure out how "noblest" was defined).


their first assertion is objectively wrong. given that a cello is a big violin, it has all the same difficulties on a larger scale. it's easier to stay in tune in the high register, but everything else is much harder. but none of them approaches the difficulty of french horn. just listen to the orchestra. you can count on a professional string section to get the notes basically right, that's not true for pro horn players. the best players crack in the tough horn passages.

if iyou include reed making in the equation, and making sure your instrument doesn't explode, the oboe ties the horn.
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Postby bignaf » Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:04 pm

piqaboo wrote:Why is a viiolin thought to be more difficult than a viola, cello or bass?


it is not, according to my experience. it's harder to "make it" as a violinist, since there are so many of them ,and since the technique has been stretched farther than the other instruments.
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Postby bignaf » Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:05 pm

well played horn is definitely "noblest".
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Postby Selma in Sandy Eggo » Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:06 am

bignaf wrote:well played horn is definitely "noblest".

And badly played beginner horn (Deb) is not as bad as badly played beginner violin (Pokey), badly played beginner clarinet (Deb again and BTGOG she gave it up very quickly), badly played beginner saxophone (Fish and again very brief episode of insanity). Badly played beginner trumpet (Fish), flute (Deb), piano (Melle), guitar (Fish) are not too bad.

I have not yet acquired that bagpipe, so I don't know for sure about that one. :shock:
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Postby Angie Parkes » Fri Nov 10, 2006 3:00 am

piqaboo wrote:Why is a viiolin thought to be more difficult than a viola, cello or bass?


bignaf wrote:given that a cello is a big violin, it has all the same difficulties on a larger scale. it's easier to stay in tune in the high register, but everything else is much harder.


I certainly can't speak from experience as my total instrumental talent began and ended with playing "Lightly Row" on a recorder, but the Resident Violinist insists that the smaller size of a violin makes intonation more precarious than on the larger instruments. Them may be fightin' words to other string players, but that's the RV's take on it.

Selma, I agree that beginner violin resembles fingernails scratching a chalkboard. Rob says something about the attention span of 5 year olds, but personally I think the reason the pre-school set has only 15-minute lessons is that's the limit of human endurance of the unique 1/4-size violin screech.
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Postby Shapley » Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:57 am

At least with the Cello and the Bass Viol, you don't have to look out of the corner of your eye to see what you're doing!
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Postby barfle » Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:49 pm

I recall a bumper sticker from the old days that was intended to sell motorcycles that said "Put something exciting between your legs."

I'm guessing a few here might have thought they were trying to sell cellos. :mrgreen:
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Postby bignaf » Sat Nov 11, 2006 7:29 pm

hardest instrument is musical stones! they're hard!
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Harp

Postby Marye » Tue Jan 09, 2007 12:59 pm

I am rather interested in the harp. Can anyone play this? I rather fancy taking a lesson after watching a young woman play her lovely harp in TSO.
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Postby Trumpetmaster » Wed Jan 10, 2007 6:17 am

Marye,

The daughter of the organist at my church plays Harp.

I have played the past few years Christmas Eve watching
her play up close. It looks to be a very difficult instrument to master.

Not trying to discourage you but it's a very big instrument and I watch her lug the harp from the van into the church...

I know I would not want to do that......

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Postby Marye » Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:20 am

Thank you TM.... I am thinking I just want to know how it works really as I do a great many instruments. So, I thought taking a lesson or two or more would be fun. I sort of want to leave the cello and the violin. No wood winds, I don't think. I was a smoker, though no longer, and I don't think I can spare the air.
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