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hal 9000 won the last Top Ten Poll because...

Poll ended at Mon Apr 23, 2007 8:13 pm

He is a computer and had an unfair advantage
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Duh! Most of his picks were Beethoven!
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No wait! Most of navneeth's picks were Beethoven too and he came in 5th... hal just got lucky
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He cheated! He cheated! He cheated!
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Hmph! hal didn't win! Sure his list had the most matches, but mine was clearly the best!
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Top Ten Legends in Classical Music

Postby hal 9000 » Mon Apr 09, 2007 8:13 pm

Top Ten Legends

Whether they be fact or fiction, let's find out which stories regarding classical music, composers, etc... are the most intriguing. But this time around, let us try a new approach to the Top Ten poll. This poll will be in two stages.

Stage 1

Compile a public list of nominees. At the end of this post I will start the list of legends. Feel free to add to that list. When we reach either 50 nominees or next Monday (whichever comes first), we will start Stage 2.

Stage 2

If you haven't figured it out, Stage 2 is what we always do, the list submission process. :P From the public list that we compile, choose your favorite 10, list them in order of preference, and submit that list to me no later than the deadline I will give when I announce the list submission process has opened (i.e. do not submit lists to me until we are in Stage 2).

So here we go... potential nominees for this topic I think of are (in no particular order):

-The theft of Haydn's head from his grave
-Beethoven's Immortal Beloved
-Salieri killed Mozart
-Berlioz' pursuit of Harriet Smithson
-Beethoven continued to conduct after the 9th had finished
-the Tchaikovsky/von Meck relationship
-Mozart had his family sing his "Lacrimosa" with him while on his deathbed
-Wagner and Cosima Liszt's affair
-Jean-Baptiste Lully died from complications of an self-inflicted injury sustained while conducting
-Beethoven's removal of Napoleon's dedication on his 3rd symphony.
-Scriabin (period :P)
-Tchaikovsky so feared that his head would fall off that he conducted with only one hand (using the other to keep his head 'secure')
-Beethoven wrote a 10th symphony.

Okay, that's 13 so far (all I can think of at the moment)... now, lets see what everyone else can add to this list. And try not to indicate which you think is the most intriguing... :rofl:
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Postby dai bread » Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:57 pm

During a performance of "La Boheme" the baritone lost his voice, so Enrico Caruso turned his back to the audience and sang the "Coat Aria" for him.
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Postby navneeth » Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:30 am

Paganini selling his soul to the Devil, and people thronging the concert halls to see the Embodiment of Evil play the violin. :twisted:

Tartini's story behind the Devil's Trill. :twisted:

Do I see a pattern here?

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Postby Trumpetmaster » Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:45 am

Can the legend be a performer or is it restricted ONLY to composers?
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Postby Catmando » Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:14 am

*Brahms fell asleep during a Liszt concert.

*Claims that Mozart & Haydn are not the composers of some of their best known compositions. :shock:
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Postby hal 9000 » Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:17 am

Trumpetmaster wrote:Can the legend be a performer or is it restricted ONLY to composers?


Anything related to classical music. I named primarily composer legends because those are the ones that I am most familiar with, but I in no way meant to limit this to composers only.
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Postby navneeth » Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:52 am

Catmando wrote:*Claims that Mozart & Haydn are not the composers of some of their best known compositions. :shock:


Sshhh...

:lol:


There's a popular myth that Perlman continued performing even after one of the strings on his violin broke. But according to snopes.com, that's not true.
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Postby navneeth » Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:59 am

Mozart producing the first pirated edition of the Miserere's score.

The meeting between the young Liszt and Beethoven.
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Postby Catmando » Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:03 am

Here are some others:

*The curse of the 9th Symphony (composers after Beethoven known to die prior to completing more than 9 symphonies), until Shostakovich composed 15 in the 20th Century

*1860 Manifesto signed by Brahms, Joachim, Grimm and Scholz, deploring the "New German" school music theories.

*The riot at the premiere of Stravinsky's "The Rite of Spring"

*Brahms' and Clara Schumann's love affair (after Robert Schumann's death)
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Postby DavidS » Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:40 am

3 more:
* Bach's music - "non-emotional, cold, mathematical exercises"
* Schumann - "not particularly skilled as an orchestrator"
* Mussorgsky - ditto
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Postby hal 9000 » Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:27 pm

Just a reminder: We are currently in Stage 1 of this topic which is compiling a list of nominees. I am not accepting lists at this time. Please do not send me any lists as I have not yet decided my list. I will make an announcement when we are in Stage 2, the list submission stage.

Glad to see this topic has got some of you a bit overzealous though! :rofl:
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Postby Catmando » Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:30 pm

hal 9000 wrote:Just a reminder: We are currently in Stage 1 of this topic which is compiling a list of nominees. I am not accepting lists at this time. Please do not send me any lists as I have not yet decided my list. I will make an announcement when we are in Stage 2, the list submission stage.

Glad to see this topic has got some of you a bit overzealous though! :rofl:


Thank you for not naming names Hal. :oops:
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Postby Trumpetmaster » Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:40 am

Cat,

ditto.... :oops:
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Postby DavidS » Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:31 am

These admissions of guilt are making me :cry: !
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Postby Catmando » Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:37 am

DavidS wrote:3 more:
* Bach's music - "non-emotional, cold, mathematical exercises"


Wow! I can't say I agree with that statement.

"non-emotional and cold"? Have they heard Bach's Cello Suites, or Mass in B minor?

I have heard about the mathematical exercises claim before. Maybe they should rename it the "Math in B minor" :roll:
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Postby navneeth » Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:56 am

Catmando wrote:
DavidS wrote:3 more:
* Bach's music - "non-emotional, cold, mathematical exercises"


Wow! I can't say I agree with that statement.

"non-emotional and cold"? Have they heard Bach's Cello Suites, or Mass in B minor?



Moreover, they are merely opinions, not really legends as such.


I have heard about the mathematical exercises claim before. Maybe they should rename it the "Math in B minor" :roll:

:snort::laugh:

*Sorry, that's the nerd inside me laughing. :lol: *


Mozart completed the score to Don Giovanni just hours before the premiere.

Verdi left out 'La Donna e Mobile' for the rehearsals of Rigoletto until the very last one before the premiere, for fear of it being copied by someone else!
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Postby DavidS » Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:57 am

Catmando wrote:
DavidS wrote:3 more:
* Bach's music - "non-emotional, cold, mathematical exercises"


Wow! I can't say I agree with that statement.

"non-emotional and cold"? Have they heard Bach's Cello Suites, or Mass in B minor?


I didn't say I agreed with the statement - just selling what had been sold to me in the past.
As Hal wrote, the legend may be fact or fiction. And indeed, we have discussed this assertion on the Forum in the past.
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Postby DavidS » Wed Apr 11, 2007 10:04 am

[quote="navneeth

Moreover, they are merely opinions, not really legends as such.


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Maybe Hal could tell us where to draw the lines between "legend", "myth", and "opinion" (for the purpose of the present exercise at least).
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Postby Catmando » Wed Apr 11, 2007 10:05 am

DavidS wrote:I didn't say I agreed with the statement - just selling what had been sold to me in the past.
As Hal wrote, the legend may be fact or fiction. And indeed, we have discussed this assertion on the Forum in the past.


That's why I said "Have they" Meaning anyone making that statement and believing it. I didn't think you agreed with the statement David. :)
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Postby Shapley » Wed Apr 11, 2007 10:16 am

I think Caruso is legendary, as are Toscanini, Furtwangler, and Stokowski.

Legend has it that Liszt cut the webbing between his fingers so he could span farther on the keyboard, or so I was told in my youth.
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