You want to break it in yourself? Get a lobotomy.
I think that was the thrust of Eisely's passage.
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Serenity wrote:I doubt that any of the leaders of the World's Main religions set their principles by the use of weaponry.
“Prior to enactment of the law, Kennesaw had a population of just 5,242 but a crime rate significantly higher (4,332 per 100,000) than the national average (3,899 per 100,000). The latest statistics available – for the year 2005 – show the rate at 2,027 per 100,000. Meanwhile, the population has skyrocketed to 28,189.
By comparison, the population of Morton Grove, the first city in Illinois to adopt a gun ban for anyone other than police officers, has actually dropped slightly and stands at 22,202, according to 2005 statistics. More significantly, perhaps, the city's crime rate increased by 15.7 percent immediately after the gun ban, even though the overall crime rate in Cook County rose only 3 percent. Today, by comparison, the township's crime rate stands at 2,268 per 100,000."
Serenity wrote:I doubt that any of the leaders of the World's Main religions set their principles by the use of weaponry..
Serenity wrote:Despite the hymn envisioning God with a sword, Jesus Christ did not carry a sword with him. Why not? When his apostles would pull weapons for protection he specifically instructed them to put them away.
Buddha did not carry a weapon or use any weapon against anyone.
Lao Tzu did not carry a weapon nor use one against others.
Confuscious did not carrry a weapon nor use it against others.
The Dalai Lama does not carry a weapon nor encourage others to use one.
Does the Pope carry one? I don't think so.
Serenity wrote:jamiebk wrote:Serenity wrote:I doubt that any of the leaders of the World's Main religions set there principles by the use of weaponry.
Serenity...are you kidding? History is replete with religious wars...all in the name of the domination of one's own religion. It is certainly so today with the "Jihad". Weapons have changed, but they are still being used to advance one religion over another.
I was just referring to Jesus Christ, Buddha, Confuscious, Ghandi, etc., not the people that use religion as an excuse.
Serenity wrote:I do include Islam as one of the World's Major Religions (#2) and I do believe it is a religion of peace; I am not wrong.
Serenity wrote:Never mind. I see you have a strong anti-islamic bent, judging by your last four posts and several threads in The Debate Team targeting Middle East topics. For someone who has studied Middle East politics extensively, I find it disturbing that I have not read in your posts something good about muslims, something with a positive slant, something that would break the typical stereotype and fear Westerners have and lead people to reconsider their views and be more open to other ideologies.
dai bread wrote:My view of Islam is highly coloured by the young NZ-born Indian man I worked with many years ago. To be brief, he was the best helper I ever had; a very fine gentleman, and yes, I would have allowed my daughter to marry him. (She wasn't nearly old enough at the time).
We discussed religion occasionally, though not in any depth, and he left me with a high opinion of Islam as a pragmatic religion whose followers were as good citizens as any others.
We lost touch when I changed jobs and he left for Wellington to become an Imam.
My view has taken a hammering lately. However, the original colour is still there, and I am not prepared to write off the whole religion.
I have met and worked with other Muslims from time to time, and they have all been decent people.
That said, I must add that they have all been Indians or Indonesians. I have never met an Arab national, though I have met many people of Arab (particularly Lebanese) extraction.
”I will spell this out, because it has not been broadly assimilated. The most extreme Islamists want to kill everyone on earth except the most extreme Islamists; but every jihadi sees the need for eliminating all non-Muslims, either by conversion or by execution. And we now know what happens when Islamism gets its hands on an army (Algeria) or on something resembling a nation state (Sudan). In the first case, the result was fratricide, with 100,000 dead; in the second, following the Islamist coup in 1989, the result has been a kind of rolling genocide, and the figure is perhaps two million. And it all goes back to Greeley, Colorado, and to Sayyid Qutb.”
haggis wrote: That is their philosophies are always right but so frail that no honest discussion about them can ever be permitted.
Analog wrote:There's somethng to Ms Boo's tongue-in-cheek suggestion of grade school firearms safety training. Familiarity breeds contempt, or at least demystifies
It turned out there was a bullet ready to rock and roll, in an otherwise empty gun. That would have right spoiled an otherwise successful party....
Shapley wrote:It turned out there was a bullet ready to rock and roll, in an otherwise empty gun. That would have right spoiled an otherwise successful party....
A lot of people, even experienced shooters, mistakenly believe that a semi-automatic firearm is unloaded if the clip is removed. Firearms safety classes teach that you always treat any firearm as if it is loaded.
Of course, it's bad manners to point, in any case, and that includes pointing a firearm....
Actually you made the point I’ve posted on repeatedly. The Islam your friend represented and the Islam I recall growing up has been radicalized.
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