Antineutrinos: Fact, or a Myth Perpetrated by the Right?

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Postby Marye » Mon Jul 09, 2007 1:59 pm

Hi Shap..

:rofl: That's a good one too!


Thank you.
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Postby Shapley » Mon Jul 09, 2007 2:55 pm

BTW, you do know they have some evidence for antinewts, don't you?


"She turned me into an antinewt!"

"She turned you into an antinewt?"

"Well, I got better."
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Postby analog » Sat Jul 14, 2007 11:54 am

Neutrinos are interesting.
We may well be awash in them, and totally unaware.

I think they're not quite physical and not quite metaphysical. What Einstein called "....playing dice with the universe.." and Carl Jung called "synchronicity". Einstein was hung up on electomagnetism, probably imprinted from childhood experiences in his Dad's electromagnet factory.

Try googling "neutrino sea".

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from an article by H.C. Dudley, Ph.D. in The Psychic Observer, January-March 1978:

The Neutrino Sea

by H.C. Dudley, Ph.D.

"The term ETHER appeared in textbooks of physics to as late as 1932, postulating the existence of some, undefinable mechanism for the transmission of heat, light, magnetism and radio signals, all of which may be accomplished in a perfect vacuum.

It was stated "It appears wise to continue to use the word ETHER, at least denoting the power of space, vacant or occupied by matter, to transmit radiation." Particularly note the words "vacant or occupied by matter. It is this 45-year-old quotation that forms the basis for this paper..."

"The modern development of an ether concept began in 1951 when Dirac, (Nobel laureate in theorectical physics, 1933) posed the question, "Is there an Ether?" as the title of a paper. He answered in the affirmative, developing the concept of an essentially-isotropic sea of electrons in random motion. Debroglie (Nobel laureate in theorectical physics, 1929) postulated a "subquantic medium" in 1959. Later he characterized this medium "as a gas made up of leptons and probably neutrinos."

During the past decade there has been developing in astrophysics the concept of a generalized "neutrino sea." This flux of uncharged particles arises from the nuclear reactions in the myriad of nearly randomly-distributed stars. This subject is extensively reviewed in the "Cosmic Neutrino" by B. Kuclowicz.

The "subquantic medium" or "neutrino sea" has been defined as an energy-rich substrate, the common denomination in all particle reactions..."

(Note: The author cites energy density estimates for the neutrino sea as high as
10,000,000,000,000,000,000 electron volts per cubic centimeter, with a particle
density of approximately 1,000,000,000,000 particles per cubic centimeter.)

"Therefore, it is suggested that the technology resulting from reorganization of our thinking with respect to the energy-rich particulate flux in which we exist will lead to many practical developments. Among these is electrical power transmission, with power losses approaching zero, at more manageable temperatures that at present."

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I'm skeptical of that last sentence.

Asimov's book "The Neutino" is a good introduction. His "The Gods Themselves" explainss there's no free lunch.
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Postby OperaTenor » Sat Jul 14, 2007 10:16 pm

Ah, of neutrinos' existence I have no doubt. It's antineutrinos that are a hoax.

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Postby Selma in Sandy Eggo » Sun Jul 15, 2007 12:53 am

OperaTenor wrote: It's antineutrinos that are a hoax. ;)

A vile rumor spread by uncle neutrinos. Why is it nobody questions the reality of the Uncle Neutrinos? :rant: :rant:
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Postby navneeth » Sun Jul 15, 2007 2:57 am

If anti-neutrinoes didn't exist, the stars wouldn't shine, but we all know coal fuels the Sun.
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Postby OperaTenor » Mon Jul 16, 2007 12:50 am

navneeth wrote:If anti-neutrinoes didn't exist, the stars wouldn't shine, ...


Do you know that for a fact? Or, is it just that's what "they" want you to believe?!! Hmmm?!!
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Postby Trumpetmaster » Mon Jul 16, 2007 12:54 am

Hi OT...

I'm up late tonight....

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Postby navneeth » Mon Jul 16, 2007 1:26 am

OperaTenor wrote:Do you know that for a fact? Or, is it just that's what "they" want you to believe?!! Hmmm?!!


It's the TRUTH!!!
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Postby BigJon@Work » Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:33 am

analog wrote:The Psychic Observer,

Can you explain what a Psychic Observer is?
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Postby Shapley » Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:09 am

Can you explain what a Psychic Observer is?


Here it is: The Psychic Observer

I think it's sort of like the National Enquirer, sans Elvis. :D
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Postby OperaTenor » Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:35 pm

Trumpetmaster wrote:Hi OT...

I'm up late tonight....

:mrgreen:


Dang, sorry I missed you, TM. I did a hit-and-run the other night.
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Postby Trumpetmaster » Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:42 am

OperaTenor wrote:
Trumpetmaster wrote:Hi OT...

I'm up late tonight....

:mrgreen:


Dang, sorry I missed you, TM. I did a hit-and-run the other night.



OT,

Our vendor moved to a new location so the executives decided
to have the move Sunday night into Monday morning....

Started at 8:00PM Sunday Night EST
Finished up at 3:45AM Monday Morning EST...

Been very busy this summer... Lots of concerts!!!

Are the "Hit-and-Run" pick-up singing gigs?

If yes, what type of music?

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Postby analog » Sun Jul 22, 2007 10:06 pm

OT may be right.
This guy thinks neutrinos are their own antiparticle.
http://www.roma1.infn.it/exp/cuore/talks/2006/N06_dolinski.pdf
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Postby navneeth » Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:29 am

analog wrote:OT may be right.
This guy thinks neutrinos are their own antiparticle.
http://www.roma1.infn.it/exp/cuore/talks/2006/N06_dolinski.pdf

Of course neutrinos are their anti-particles - they have zero charge. This was discovered, theoretically, even before the neutrino was. :D

And this is nice site for an intro to elementary particles: http://particleadventure.org/
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Postby Shapley » Mon Jul 23, 2007 8:19 am

anti-neutrinos have right-handed spin, while neutrinos have left-handed. This, I believe is why OT suggested they were a myth perpetrated by the 'right'. OT, of course, can accept left-leaning particles, but not right-wingers. :D

It is, of course, also a basis for my theory - the right hand of God and all that...
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Postby OperaTenor » Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:28 pm

Just remember, twenty light years' thickness of lead.

If that isn't some kind of sick joke, I don't know what is.

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Postby Shapley » Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:59 pm

OT,

just to refresh your memory:

OT,

I think it's a "baby neutron", or "neutron bambino", later shortened to "neutrino". Of course, since it was not observed, but the laws of physics anticipated its existence, it was called an "anticipated neutron bambino", or "antineutrino", for short.

V/R
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Oh, and by the way, I agree with you on the attenuation issue Did I say that??? . I think 18.823 light years would do the job just fine.


I just thought you'd like to see me saying that agree with you in print again. :) I'll try not to let it happen again. :D

V/R
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Postby Shapley » Fri Aug 10, 2007 9:51 am

Here is the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory's link to Antineutrino Physics.
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Postby Shapley » Tue Aug 14, 2007 3:18 pm

Hot Gas Mimics Life In Space

Actually, I think the headline should read "Hot Gas Mimics Life In Computer Models", since they don't appear to have actually observed this behaviour in nature.

Nonetheless, it is interesting, and leads me to believe that scientists are closer to finding God, even if they won't recognize him when they do.
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