Will Europe Survive?

[Shapley]

they'd set up schools and influenced Indian culture and architecture in the southwest US.

They designed the Teepee?

[BigJon@Work]

Analog, do you really believe that Islam, in any of its forms, will be found appealing by more than a handful of folks born and raised in the post-modern, Western world?

[BigJon@Work]

Do you really believe that Islam, in any of its forms, will be found appealing by more than a handful of folks in the post-modern, Western world?

[piqaboo]

It appears to be appealing to rather a diverse group of us, BigJon.

[Haggis@wk]

Europe getting tough?

Security officials from Europe's largest countries have thrown their weight behind the EU Commission's plans to map out mosques on the continent to identify imams who preach radical Islam that raises the threat of homegrown terrorism.

The project, to be finished by the fall, will focus on the roles of imams, their training, their ability to speak in the local language and their source of funding, EU Justice and Home Affairs Commissioner Franco Frattini told a news conference.

Europe had ample experience with the ''misuse of mosques, which instead of being places of worship are used for other ends, Italian Interior Minister Guiliano Amato said Saturday.

Can you imagine the uproar here if anyone said the exact same words as above? Forget here, can you imagine the uproar in Europe if someone here said the same thing?

As I’ve said before, the Europeans are quite capable of ruthless behavior if scared enough. I’m not sure this will be enough in time but at least they’re willing to allow some of their true colors to show.

[BigJon@Work]

It appears to be appealing to rather a diverse group of us, BigJon.

Not to my observation. The growth of Islam is almost all native or in backwards/poor countries.

[Shapley]

The growth of Islam is almost all native or in backwards/poor countries.

Which explains why they're in Jonesboro, Arkansas.

[analog]

Do you really believe that Islam, in any of its forms, will be found appealing by more than a handful of folks in the post-modern, Western world?

http://www.religionlink.org/tip_060807.php#stats

Demographic information

Note: The number of Muslims in the U.S. is a politically charged issue. Mosques do not require membership, so there is no accurate count. Surveys have yielded very different numbers, depending on the way information was collected and how questions were phrased. Current estimates range from 1.1 million to 7 million.
• The Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life released a survey in May 2007 billed as the first nationwide, random sample of Muslim Americans. The survey of more than 1,000 Muslims records attitudes about U.S. society, assimilation, Islamic extremism, the war on terror and more. It estimates the U.S. Muslim population at 2.35 million.
• The 2001 American Religious Identification Survey conducted by the Graduate Center of the City University of New York reported religious affiliation of adults in the United States: 52 percent are Protestant, 24.5 percent are Catholic, 14.1 percent "no religion," 1.3 percent Jewish and 0.5 percent Muslim or Islamic. Muslim adults number 1.1 million, about twice the Muslim adult population in 1990. Racially, 23 percent said they were black, and the rest identified as white or Asian.
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• "The Mosque in America: A National Portrait," a study of American Muslims commissioned in 2001 by the Council on American-Islamic Relations, found that mosque attendees are mostly young (50 percent were under age 35), unmarried men (78 percent male). Researcher Ihsan Bagby, associate professor of Islamic studies at the University of Kentucky, found that 30 percent of mosque attendees were African-American, that converts numbered about 19,000 a year, that most were men and that about 14,000 were African-Americans.

Haggis recently posted a link relating to growing numbers of Hispanic converts in the Orlando area.

Not huge numbers, but looks like growth could be along economic strata.


Jonesboro's mosque:


Here's that article on pre-columbian muslims in America:
http://www.fountainmagazine.com/article ... show=part1

[Selma in Sandy Eggo]

Many Western researchers acknowledge the famous map of Piri Reis as proof of Muslim presence in America long before the endeavors of Columbus, as it minutely comprises the map of America, as well as extremely accurate measurements of the distance between America and Africa.

And I thought the Piri Reis map proved that we were visited by aliens. Silly me. I'm also charmed to find about the school in Nevada. (Though I'm puzzled concerning the selection of Nevada. Why'd they pass up all that fertile land between the Atlantic seaboard and Nevada?)

[Haggis@wk]

4,000 people a week trying to leave UK

BRITAIN is facing a mass exodus of people looking to escape the crime and grime of modern living.
The country’s biggest foreign visa consultancy firm has revealed that applications have soared in the last seven months by 80 per cent to almost 4,000 a week. Ten years ago the figure was just 300 a week.

Most people are relocating within the Commonwealth – in Australia, Canada and South Africa. They are almost all young professionals and skilled workers aged 20-40.

And many cite their reason for wanting to quit as immigration to these shores – and the burden it is placing on their communities and local authorities. The dearth of good schools, spiralling house prices, rising crime and tax increases are also driving people away.

This little reported phenomenon is happening all over Europe and when they are honest these people are more émigrés than emigrants.

We’re seeing greater numbers of people leaving Belgium and Jews leaving France. I personally think that radical Islam is the elephant in the room that no one wants to acknowledge.

[Haggis@wk]

Norwegian newspaper Aftenposten reported:

“It’s difficult to make plans for the prison terms when we have no idea who will show up and who won’t,” said Ellinor Houm, director of the Norwegian Correctional Services, section for eastern Norway.
With fewer criminals showing up here than in any other part of Norway, Houm’s in charge of prisons with many empty beds. So far this year, every fourth criminal has not bothered to turn up at the prison gates in eastern Norway.

The first thing that came to mind was “80% actually showed up for their prison sentence voluntarily????”

Here is an idea: When the guy is sentenced, toss his butt in prison. Immediately. That seems to work in the United States.

[Haggis@wk]

Theodore Dalrymple

In an effort to ensure that no Muslim doctors ever again try to bomb Glasgow Airport, bureaucrats at Glasgow’s public hospitals have decreed that henceforth no staff may eat lunch at their desks or in their offices during the holy month of Ramadan, so that fasting Muslims shall not be offended by the sight or smell of their food. Vending machines will also disappear from the premises during that period.

Apparently the bureaucrats believe that the would-be bombers were demanding sandwich-free offices in Glasgow hospitals during Ramadan. This kind of absurdity is what happens when the highly contestable doctrine of multiculturalism becomes a career opportunity for the semi-educated and otherwise unemployable products of a grossly and unnecessarily swollen university system.

Meanwhile, the highest court in Italy was confirming an appeals court’s acquittal of the father and brother of a Muslim girl, whom they beat and locked up for becoming too Westernized—that is to say, for having a Western friend. The court ruled that, though they had undoubtedly beaten her and locked her up, this was not because of any culpable ill-feeling toward her. It was, rather, because of “her lifestyle, which did not conform to their culture.”

The sound of a civilization committing suicide can be heard in these stories; for civilizations collapse not because the barbarians are so strong, but because they themselves are so morally enfeebled.

“morally enfeebled”, Yep

[BigJon@Work]

4,000 people a week trying to leave UK

BRITAIN is facing a mass exodus of people looking to escape the crime and grime of modern living.
The country’s biggest foreign visa consultancy firm has revealed that applications have soared in the last seven months by 80 per cent to almost 4,000 a week. Ten years ago the figure was just 300 a week.

Most people are relocating within the Commonwealth – in Australia, Canada and South Africa. They are almost all young professionals and skilled workers aged 20-40.

And many cite their reason for wanting to quit as immigration to these shores – and the burden it is placing on their communities and local authorities. The dearth of good schools, spiralling house prices, rising crime and tax increases are also driving people away.

This little reported phenomenon is happening all over Europe and when they are honest these people are more émigrés than emigrants.

We’re seeing greater numbers of people leaving Belgium and Jews leaving France. I personally think that radical Islam is the elephant in the room that no one wants to acknowledge.

Left unsaid is the restrictive environment that is found in many parts of the UK. Prohibitive zoning, high taxes, restrictions on business start-ups, leftist takoeves of the the city centers. The list goes on and on. The teeth aren't the only thing distorted in the kingdom. Value your freedoms, hold them dear.

[Haggis@wk]

Maybe Norway’s not completely lost
[url=http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1948234.ece] Armed for first day of school
Hundreds of thousands of students had their first day of school on Monday. Some of them had to learn to carry guns and be prepared to shoot -- polar bears[/url]

Students on the Arctic archipelago of Svalbard aren't allowed to leave their village without a shotgun and ammunition. That's because hungry polar bears can be behind every swing on the island…

…The school lends out weapons, ammunition, tents, sleeping bags, survival suits, snow scooters and other equipment that's essential in the Arctic landscape

Alright! Gun down those pesky Ursus maritimus!!!!!


I also learned that Norway has far and away the highest firearm ownership per capita in Western Europe.

Go Norge!!

[Haggis@wk]

British Socialism needs a handout

"Up to a million people on income support will be eligible for half fares on London's buses under Ken Livingstone's oil deal with Hugo Chávez, Venezuela's president," reports the Guardian:

Single parents, carers, the long-term sick and disabled people will benefit from the plan, first mooted during Mr Chávez's visit to the UK last year, paying 50p [just under $1] for a single journey if they use an Oystercard.

We are used to thinking of Britain as a wealthy country; we sometimes forget that decades of socialism take a toll. Still, a once-great power reduced to taking handouts from a banana republic. Surely the U.S. Congress could approve some aid to our cousins in Britain, if only to spare them from further such humiliation.

[BigJon@Work]

Meanwhile Chavez continues to consolidate his power
Just the kinda guy every democracy should cuddle up to. You should see how the lefties on some of the boards I read jump to his defense whenever someone accuses him of doing something dictatorial or tyrannical. “But he was freely elected to the position” is a favorite refrain, as if it gives him a pass for everything that follows. "But George bush was freely elected . . ."

[piqaboo]

We are used to thinking of Britain as a wealthy country; we sometimes forget that decades of socialism take a toll

Well, that and giving up an empire - source of much of that wealth.

[GreatCarouser]

Europe Fights Back?
well, not so fast, but some resistance is showing...
The New AntiSemitism

[Haggis@wk]

Muslim “medical students” in the UK are now openly refusing to learn how to treat some illnesses: Muslim medical students get picky.
Inch by inch, they’re insinuating shari’a law into every part of British society.

Some Muslim medical students are refusing to attend lectures or answer exam questions on alcohol-related or sexually transmitted diseases because they claim it offends their religious beliefs.

Some trainee doctors say learning to treat the diseases conflicts with their faith, which states that Muslims should not drink alcohol and rejects sexual promiscuity.
A small number of Muslim medical students have even refused to treat patients of the opposite sex. One male student was prepared to fail his final exams rather than carry out a basic examination of a female patient.

And how are the British medical associations reacting to this dangerous development? By expelling those students?

Well, no. But they do disapprove.

The religious objections by students have been confirmed by the British Medical Association (BMA) and General Medical Council (GMC), which both stressed that they did not approve of such actions.

The Daily Mail has more information; the GMC says Muslim doctors who refuse parts of the curriculum will not be allowed to graduate. For now, anyway: Muslim medical students refuse to learn about alcohol or sexual diseases.

And the GMC, which regulates doctors and maintains the medical register, recently brought out a paper for medical schools explaining what to do if students ask whether they could still graduate if they omitted parts of the medical curriculum.

The document makes it clear that doctors will not be able to opt out of any part of their training despite any religious objections.

Professor Peter Rubin, chairman of the GMC’s education committee, said: ‘Examples have included a refusal to see patients who are affected by diseases caused by alcohol or sexual activity, or a refusal to examine patients of a particular gender.’

But he said trainees who refused to carry out these parts of their courses would not be allowed to graduate because ‘prejudicing treatment on the grounds of patients’ gender or their responsibility for their condition would run counter to the most basic principles of ethical medical practice.’

[piqaboo]

At least they wont let them graduate. Oh my!
I wonder, how many female muslim med students there are?