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A question for classical music lovers!

Postby Princess Cleocatra » Fri Dec 28, 2007 7:06 pm

:D Hi,

I have been listening to Beethoven.com for awhile now.. And about 1 year ago I heard a piece of music here that sounded VERY familiar. It was the 'theme' from Star Wars. Now I know that John Williams is reputed to be the composer of the main theme, but I listened to the entire piece and at the end of the piece the announcer/DJ announced it was a piece from a Russian composer, that I unfortunately could not even spell out phonetically. :shock: Since then I have attempted a few times to discover the composer and name of this piece that John Williams 'borrowed for his composition, to no avail. Does anyone here know who the composer is that inspired John Williams in his Star Wars theme?? This is driving me quite mad trying to find out who the real master-mind behind the theme is. :crazy: Any suggestions?? Thanks!!!
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Re: A question for classical music lovers!

Postby OperaTenor » Sat Dec 29, 2007 1:34 am

Hi Princess, welcome to the Pit!™ :D

Sorry, no help from this quarter....
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Re: A question for classical music lovers!

Postby Princess Cleocatra » Sat Dec 29, 2007 2:47 pm

Thanks for the welcome!! :D

I've asked a tough question here, I know. But surely there is someone out there that has the answer to my quandary... :roll:
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Re: A question for classical music lovers!

Postby jamiebk » Sat Dec 29, 2007 8:04 pm

Princess Cleocatra wrote::D Hi,

I have been listening to Beethoven.com for awhile now.. And about 1 year ago I heard a piece of music here that sounded VERY familiar. It was the 'theme' from Star Wars. Now I know that John Williams is reputed to be the composer of the main theme, but I listened to the entire piece and at the end of the piece the announcer/DJ announced it was a piece from a Russian composer, that I unfortunately could not even spell out phonetically. :shock: Since then I have attempted a few times to discover the composer and name of this piece that John Williams 'borrowed for his composition, to no avail. Does anyone here know who the composer is that inspired John Williams in his Star Wars theme?? This is driving me quite mad trying to find out who the real master-mind behind the theme is. :crazy: Any suggestions?? Thanks!!!


Hi Princess...welcome to the BBB! Your question is a good one and one that I have wondered about ever since I listened to Erich Korngold's "Kings Row" music composed for the movie of the same name in 1942. Here is a place where you can listen to a clip: http://www.rhapsody.com/playlistcentral ... d=10532207

Here is a bit of information on that recording: http://www.moviemusic.com/soundtrack/kingsrow

There has long been discussion of the similarities between Wagner's ring and the Star Wars trilogy. Here is an interesting piece on that: http://www.trell.org/wagner/starwars.html#struct

I don't know of any Russian composer (to whom you refer) that comes as close to matching the Star Wars theme as Korngold's piece...I know what it is like to get one of these things stuck in you head. Good luck on your search for "the truth".

If you start Googling around on Korngold, you can find quite a bit of his classic film music: http://play.rhapsody.com/erichwolfgangk ... ounce=true
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Re: A question for classical music lovers!

Postby Trumpetmaster » Fri Jan 04, 2008 12:10 pm

Welcome to the BBB Princess C!!

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Re: A question for classical music lovers!

Postby piqaboo » Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:33 pm

Quick! Someone PM Bones!
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Re: A question for classical music lovers!

Postby barfle » Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:53 pm

piqaboo wrote:Quick! Someone PM Bones!

Done.
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Re: A question for classical music lovers!

Postby Bones » Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:50 pm

Barfle sent me here, but I'm afraid I can't be of much help. To my knowledge, the Star Wars score is all original stuff, although obviously influenced by a number of classical sources. When I listen to Williams's Star Wars music, I am reminded of Wagner, R. Strauss, Korngold, Walton, Holst, Stravinsky, and Khachaturian.

If the main Star Wars theme had been taken from another composer's work, I would imagine that the composer's music would have become disproportionately popular to the mainstream listener by now, as happened in the case of Strauss's Zarathustra. In the case of Star Wars, we don't know the other composer because I believe there is no other composer.

Anyway, the closest I can come to the Star Wars theme by a Russian composer is Marche Slave, but that's a stretch, and it's certainly not by an obscure Russian.
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Re: A question for classical music lovers!

Postby OperaTenor » Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:36 pm

Bones wrote:...I'm afraid I can't be of much help.



Then you must be an impostor!

What have you done with the real Bones?!!

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Re: A question for classical music lovers!

Postby Bones » Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:22 am

The real Bones will be retiring at the end of February and spending considerable time at the beach. (I guess I should have posted this in the "Fix Your Job" thread).
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Re: A question for classical music lovers!

Postby piqaboo » Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:46 am

Hooray for you! 8)
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Re: A question for classical music lovers!

Postby Selma in Sandy Eggo » Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:06 pm

Congratulations, I think. Which beach do you plan to grace with your presence?
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Re: A question for classical music lovers!

Postby Shapley » Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:14 pm

Congratulations on your upcoming retirement, Bones! And thanks for dropping by. It's always a pleasure to hear from you.
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Re: A question for classical music lovers!

Postby Trumpetmaster » Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:29 pm

Congrats on your retirement Bones!!!!

All the best on the beach!!!

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Re: A question for classical music lovers!

Postby Trumpetmaster » Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:30 pm

Shapley,

How was Toronto?

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Re: A question for classical music lovers!

Postby Shapley » Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:45 pm

I saw, as usual, very little of it. I arrived late Wednesday evening, passed through customs with little trouble, and then had to wait about an hour-and-a-half for the party I was meeting to pass through as well. We then drove about an hour and a half to our destination, checking into the hotel about midnight.

We attended a meeting Thursday morning, took a quick tour of the facility followed by a catered lunch, and then drove back to the airport, arriving there about 3:00 p.m. I spent about three hours in the airport, waiting for a flight to Cleveland, and from there to St. Louis.

The weather was cooperative. Global warming had melted the snow that had preceeded us, but it cooled back down to the 20s during my visit. The rain held off until the return flight. It rained heavily across the lake, but slacked off in Cleveland to permit a safe landing and take-off an hour-and-a-half later. I arrived in St. Louis about 10:00 p.m. and arrived home at 12:30 this morning.

A typical business trip.

I had had tickets to see Jerry Seinfeld last night, but had to miss it to go on the trip. My wife and son went, and my son wore my puffy shirt for the occasion. It made the local news (not much to report in Paducah, KY, apparently). You can read the headline here, but you need a subscription to read the article, and to see the photo of my son wearing the shirt. The shirt, however, looks like this:

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Re: A question for classical music lovers!

Postby Trumpetmaster » Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:15 pm

Shapley,

Gee... Too bad you didn't get a chance to go to the CN Tower....

I like the shirt!!!
Pretty Cool!

Glad to hear you arrived safely home.

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Re: A question for classical music lovers!

Postby Bones » Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:25 am

Selma in Sandy Eggo wrote:Congratulations, I think. Which beach do you plan to grace with your presence?


Hi , Selma. We've had a place at Rehoboth Beach, Delaware for many years. It a little over 2 hours away. Now I won't have to limit myself to numerous weekend trips. One long trip spanning several weekends will be much better.
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Re: A question for classical music lovers!

Postby barfle » Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:05 pm

Bones wrote:The real Bones will be retiring at the end of February and spending considerable time at the beach. (I guess I should have posted this in the "Fix Your Job" thread).

You dog, you.
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