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Serenity wrote:Shapley wrote:Haggis@wk wrote: The schools have already self-imposed bans on Jewish and Christian occasions and eliminated Halloween observances to cater to the Muslims who are offended. All of this, mind you, in publicly financed schools.
The Public Schools around here have banned Halloween in response to Christian opposition. Interestingly, most of the Christian schools have Halloween parties....
You're a little too paranoid about the middle east cultures invading our culture and customs. How come the muslims haven't invaded Texas yet? What's your secret? Maybe you can enlighten other states as to muslim-control!
Serenity wrote:
Never mind. I see you have a strong anti-islamic bent, judging by your last four posts and several threads in The Debate Team targeting Middle East topics. For someone who has studied Middle East politics extensively, I find it disturbing that I have not read in your posts something good about muslims, something with a positive slant, something that would break the typical stereotype and fear Westerners have and lead people to reconsider their views and be more open to other ideologies.
If you define historically accurate and verifiable facts as "stereotype" then you got it in one.
I (challenge) encourage you to start a list of "something good about muslims, something with a positive slant, something that would break the typical stereotype and fear Westerners have and lead people to reconsider their views and be more open to other ideologies." so we can discuss their merits. Maybe you can start another thread so as not to take away from this one?
It seems we have something in common. I've lived, "studied Middle East politics extensively" and/or fought in the Middle East since I was 10. I know Moderate Arabs and Radical Muslims; they are not always the same. I loved living in Libya and hope that someday after kadhaffi I can take my wife and show her Leptis Magna and Sabratha. I recently found all of my father's slides and have started to scan them. I'll post them on my website (at least the non-family nice views of Libya ones)
To make sure we are on a level playing field let me know which English language version of the Koran you're using. I have the Pickthall's that my mother bought in Tripoli in 1957. I also have Bell's and can borrow a copy of Arberry's but I prefer Pickthall's simply because it was the first one I read.
I haven't really looked at any recent translations so if you have something later let me know and I'll go get a copy. To be truthful, I'm very wary of the later translations since most of those were after the Saudi's began to “homogenize” some of the harsher verses so I'll probably be a tad skeptical of any translation after the 60's.
Unless you are able to read from the original? I confess I don't read Arabic so I'll be at a disadvantage.
Let me know.
Haggis@wk wrote:FREE SPEECH UPDATE: You still can't write about Muhammad.
Random House feared the book would become a new “Satanic Verses,” the Salman Rushdie novel of 1988 that led to death threats, riots and the murder of the book’s Japanese translator, among other horrors. In an interview about Ms. Jones’s novel, Thomas Perry, deputy publisher at Random House Publishing Group, said that it “disturbs us that we feel we cannot publish it right now.” He said that after sending out advance copies of the novel, the company received “from credible and unrelated sources, cautionary advice not only that the publication of this book might be offensive to some in the Muslim community, but also that it could incite acts of violence by a small, radical segment.”
Serenity wrote: I have not read in your posts something good about muslims, something with a positive slant,
Haggis@wk wrote:Haggis@wk wrote:FREE SPEECH UPDATE: You still can't write about Muhammad.Random House feared the book would become a new “Satanic Verses,” the Salman Rushdie novel of 1988 that led to death threats, riots and the murder of the book’s Japanese translator, among other horrors. In an interview about Ms. Jones’s novel, Thomas Perry, deputy publisher at Random House Publishing Group, said that it “disturbs us that we feel we cannot publish it right now.” He said that after sending out advance copies of the novel, the company received “from credible and unrelated sources, cautionary advice not only that the publication of this book might be offensive to some in the Muslim community, but also that it could incite acts of violence by a small, radical segment.”
Shapley wrote:President Carter could not have ascended to power, were it not for the successful attack on the character of President Nixon,
jamiebk wrote:Mr. Nixon was not attacked...he was caught with his hand in the cookie jar. A crook, a cheat, and a liar, not to mention an incredibly paranoid and self centered person.
Shapley wrote:jamiebk wrote:Mr. Nixon was not attacked...he was caught with his hand in the cookie jar. A crook, a cheat, and a liar, not to mention an incredibly paranoid and self centered person.
And the attacks continue...
jamiebk wrote:I attack no one. I only state what was found to be true about the man, unless you care to deny his involvement in covering up illegal acts. Is a criminal deemed to be "attacked" because he is caught and brought to justice? In Nixon's case, he chose to quit rather than face impeachment.
OperaTenor wrote:Jamie, you have to understand, if you gore one of Shap's sacred cows with pertinent facts, that constitutes an attack.
And it only works in one direction....
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